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Re: The Druid Handbook
« Reply #80 on: October 07, 2009, 08:05:56 AM »
Second level: Body of the Sun
Awful, unless you sculpt it.  Then it's actually decent.
No, it isn't. Assuming you have a feat most druids don't take, you can make an area effect of relatively paltry damage with no movement impairment to keep people in it. Contrast with Haboob, a 20' spread that does the same amount of damage and blocks LOS and lasts min/level, or Arctic Fog, which is a 30' spread that also blocks LOS and does 4 damage and lasts 10 min/level and has a neat little damage chaser if you disperse it with wind.

Battlefield control needs to be so horrible you want to be out of it right now (Stinking Cloud), needs to block LOS (clouds of all sorts), needs to block movement (walls), needs to trap people in it (Web), or preferably multiples of these. Sculpted Body of the Sun doesn't cut it.

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« Reply #81 on: October 07, 2009, 08:40:45 AM »
hiven that the effect is centered on you (120' straight ahead), you can redirect it while doing all your other stuff just by turning to the side during your five foot step.

That means you can do consistent ranged damage simultaneously with melee.  It's not a particularly large amount of damage, I admit, but it's a decent choice.  Extending (or possibly persisting, though there are better spells to do that with) would make it better, but as is it compares favorably to call lightning.

'course, my experience typically involves a horde of mooks going around with the big guys, which may overemphasize the effectiveness of multi-round area damage.  And it's excellent in corridors.
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Re: The Druid Handbook
« Reply #82 on: October 07, 2009, 10:28:03 AM »
Second level: Body of the Sun
Awful, unless you sculpt it.  Then it's actually decent.
No, it isn't. Assuming you have a feat most druids don't take, ...
Taking the feat? Perhaps not. Buying a lesser metamagic rod for 3k? Certainly recommended!

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Re: The Druid Handbook
« Reply #83 on: October 09, 2009, 08:38:26 AM »
hiven that the effect is centered on you (120' straight ahead), you can redirect it while doing all your other stuff just by turning to the side during your five foot step.

That means you can do consistent ranged damage simultaneously with melee.  It's not a particularly large amount of damage, I admit, but it's a decent choice.  Extending (or possibly persisting, though there are better spells to do that with) would make it better, but as is it compares favorably to call lightning.
Not quite. The spell ceases to be an emanation when you sculpt it, because you're turning it into a spread or cubes or whatever. From the SRD:

Quote from: Spell Descriptions
An emanation spell functions like a burst spell, except that the effect continues to radiate from the point of origin for the duration of the spell. Most emanations are cones or spheres.

As radiating from you is a quality of emanations and it is no longer an emanation, it no longer radiates from you. Extending is kind of silly; that gets you 2 x rd/level and how many mooks can you possibly have to kill? Also, seriously, you are a druid. You can fly around as a bird or just wade into melee as whatever with non-sculpted Body of the Sun if you really need to kill that many mooks.

It just doesn't work, and it's not that uber even if it does.

Taking the feat? Perhaps not. Buying a lesser metamagic rod for 3k? Certainly recommended!
Unless you do the gear-drop trick, druids don't benefit nearly as much from metamagic rods (other than extend, which is still as silly as ever) as other casters. Plus, there's just not a lot to sculpt; druids lack the long-lived staples that wizards rely on.
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Re: The Druid Handbook
« Reply #84 on: October 09, 2009, 10:33:24 AM »
Second wave of updates. I never did get a chance to really pore over Spell Compendium, Stormwrack, or some of the other last-wave books before other interests and demands on my time meant I stopped updating the old druid guide. I may also sift some of those books for wild shape forms (or other stuff, Stormwrack has a ton of new summons and such). At some point, I may write a new wild shape guide with quick-reference for stats and page numbers, a spell guide with duration and page numbers, and/or an Enhance Wild Shape guide. It really depends on mood/interest/attention span/computer access/alignment of the stars.

Anyhoo. More spell thoughts.

BTW, I copied all my edits from the previous post for Blade2718's convenience. Anything with a † is a new addition/modification in this post.

0th Level
Guidance: Tell your Rogue to ask for "guidance" prior to every trap he attempts to disarms or UMD roll he has to make (outside of combat). That +1 bonus can be critical. This doesn't stack with Inspire Competence or pretty much any skill-boosting magic item, however.
Light: Remember, you lose darkvision when you Wild Shape, even if your chosen form or your natural race in humanoid form has it. (Obviously, this doesn't apply to situations where you're getting Ex special qualities of your form, as with Exalted or Dragon Wild Shape.)

1st Level
Aquatic EscapeCSc: Change into a fish for 1 round/level. Good for sudden escapes or quick responses to getting dumped into water. This spell just plain sucks, even before you get Wild Shape. Less than 30 seconds of swimming/water breathing is not going to save you, and even if it would, you can't cast this spell because it has a verbal component!
Babau SlimeSC: Great for grappling druids, and a general-purpose damage buff for any Wild Shaping Druid. The shortish duration and relatively low damage, along with the situational inconvenience of being covered with acid, makes this a rather poor spell. It doesn't do enough damage to make up for the fact that it pretty much must be cast in combat.
Enrage AnimalSC: A solid buff for your animal companion, enabling it to rage like a barbarian without the fatigue. One or two turns of rage isn't worth it, and concentrating is generally less effective than just breaking out your sling. Not worth casting.
Faerie Fire: This is an odd magic bullet. By the time you're worrying about invisible foes, all of the casters in the party will have better tools, like BlindsightSC, See Invisibility, Glitterdust, or just plain old Dispel Magic. However, this is lower level and it works on Blur and Displacement and the like. Faerie Fire is a situational tool at best. I'm not entirely convinced that this belongs on the list still.
Rot of AgesDrM: lol no sneak attack 4 u. Too bad about the short duration, though. This spell is stone cold terrible, I don't know what I was thinking.
ThunderheadSC: 1d6 damage per round/level unless they make a reflex to negate, and also acts as a tracker against targets who turn invisible This does ONE damage per round/level, and you can't cast this on a foe you can't perceive. I can't imagine any situation where you'd be happy you prepped this for the day.

2nd Level
Bear's Endurance and Bull's Strength: As useful for a druid as it is for everyone. Bear's Endurance will be your main in-combat healing spell for low levels; just keep people alive until you can use Vigor. Grammar fix
Blinding SpittleSC: Absolutely broken. Blindness with no save, with a ranged touch attack at -4. Why do they keep reprinting this spell? Typo fix
Blood SnowFrost: Only prep it during the winter or when in an arctic or otherwise frozen area, but d2 Con drain/round is awesome when you combine it with battlefield control spells or flight effects to make sure your enemies have to stand in it.
BramblesSC: Excellent weapon buff, especially coupled with Shillelagh. After the CD/SC nerfs to this spell, it is overrated in the extreme. It's strictly worse than Shillelagh, and doesn't stack.
Creeping ColdSC: A great attack spell, and replaces Produce Flame as a blasting spell.
EarthbindSC: Ground those fliers. Kelpstrand and Gust of Wind do this and much more besides.
Embrace the WildSC and Listening LorecallSC: These are very nearly the same spell, and both are quite handy. Use Embrace the Wild until you have 12 ranks in Listen, then switch over to Listening Lorecall. BlindsightSC is more potent but is higher level and shorter duration. More SC revamp antics
Gust of Wind: Very underrated utility spell. Clears fogs, blows away small foes, extinguishes torches, and disperses swarms. On top of all of this, it just plain wins any fight with any flier smaller than large.
Halo of SandSand: Yet another druid AC buff. This one is deflection, though, so it stacks with Barkskin and armor and helps against touch attacks.
KelpstrandSC: I like to think of this spell as webshooters. If it's not huge, it's pretty much just screwed. Your grapple DC will exceed that of most enemies who aren't grappling specialists or very large and very strong, and even if they are they'll need to spend at least one round bursting each strand of kelp. This spell is silly broken.
Master AirSC: Self-only flight, with short duration. Still handy, though. Winged Watcher and Updraft are lower level and do 95% of what this spell does.
Nature's FavorSC: Excellent (swift!) animal buff spell; cast it on your Animal Companion or summons. No real need to go into previous versions any more, since SC is pretty much definitive.
SplinterboltSC: It's druidic Scorching Ray, but with no SR. Three 4d6 damage bolts with a 18-20 threat range isn't half bad.(Thanks jackmojo) Grammar edits
Wild InstinctsRoE: +1 to spot and listen just for preparing it. Casting it is kind of useless; a min/level ability to give you Uncanny Dodge is only useful when you know you're going to be surprised. Some playtesting realizations

3rd Level
Attune FormSC: Immunity to planar effects for caster level/3 characters. A handy spell for planehopping games, and much more useful than the lower-level Avoid Planar EffectsSC, due to the longer duration. Grammar edits and some fiddling
Call Lightning: This is a good lead-off for long or unchallenging fights, as it gives you lots of turns of attacks with okay damage. Prep one or two a day and use it as your fallback when your specialty (be it summoning, melee, whatever) isn't the best tactic.
CrumbleSC: Apparently druids get Shatter at third level. It's still handy.
Cure Moderate Wounds: Should be self-explanatory. This is not a good spell at second level, why the hell would you cast it at third? Not sure what I was thinking.
Energy BarrierKey of Destiny: It lets you put up an immobile protective barrier against acid, cold, electricity, fire, or sonic energy and their residual effects (e.g. fire: also blocks heat, acid: water, cold: snow, etc.). This amorphous barrier can completely surround you if you like and the duration is "concentration +1 round/level," which could be huge in some circumstances.  If your DM allows Dragonlance materials, this is a great protective spell. This is a super situational third-party variant of Protection From Energy. Why is it here?
Entanging StaffSC: After the Spell Compendium rewrite of this spell, it's now a way to add an extra entangling effect onto hitting someone with your Shillelagh. The constrict after the grab is extra damage, but you probably don't want to stay grappling with them. This is no longer very useful with club-wielding Legendary Ape cheese, though, as continuing the grapple now requires normal actions. After a SC rewrite, this is now a weaker spell that works in a less lame way. It's still good but needs a new entry entirely.
Evard's Menacing TentaclesPHB2: Assuming you have a good strength bonus from a Wild Shape form, this spell provides some battlefield control, metes out some damage, and gives a climbing bonus to boot. Grammar edits
ForestfoldSC: +10 on Hide and Move Silently checks in a natural environment of your choice.
Giant's WrathSC: An interesting alternative to Call Lightning. At early levels, the lack of a need for an attack roll, the lack of DR issues, and the greater number of uses per cast makes Call Lightning the better choice. At higher levels, though, the high strength of Wild Shape forms, the caster-level based damage bonus, and the lack of SR on Giant's Wrath helps it catch up.
Heart of WaterCM: The winner in a so-so spell family. The main effect of swimming/gills is handy when you get the spell, and on-demand swift-action Freedom of Movement is perfect for a bad grapple or failed save.
JunglerazorSC: Does 1d10/level (up to 10) in a 120ft line. Because it's target specific, shoot through your friends to damage only plants, plant critters, vermin, fey and animals. This is super situational. I'm not sure if it's worth listing.
Plant Growth: This is druidic Solid Fog, as long as there's some undergrowth. Alternately, make yourself every farmer's friend. Some more detail on what it does
SpikesSC: Improved Brambles. Higher attack, better threat level; what's not to like? How about the fact that it doesn't stack with anything and just plain blows? Don't cast this spell.
Swift Lion's ChargeMiniHB/Lion's ChargeSC: Pouncing is very handy, but this spell can start to eat up spell slots pretty quickly. A similar, overpowered spell named Lion's Charge is in Savage Species, and, while it isn't swift, it gives the Pounce ability for a duration.
ThornskinSC: Good as a wildshape buff, especially for grapplers, since even trying to escape hurts your enemy. This is two levels higher than Babau Skin, has a shorter duration, and does less damage. And Babau Skin isn't very good.

4th Level
Arc of LightningSC, Blast of SandSand, and Flame Strike: The last blast spells worth casting. Flame Strike is a staple and core. Arc of Lightning and Blast of Sand have more-specialized areas of effect (Arc of Lightning is sure to hit two guys and pretty much nobody else, whereas Blast of Sand's 30' cone is Very Large), ignore SR and benefit from Spell Focus (Conjuration). Blast of Sand is probably the most useful due to its large AOE, but it caps out at 10d6 whereas the others cap at 15d6. All of them have situational advantages (and not a one of them is more potent than Boreal Wind), so choose the one best-suited to your game. This replaces the individual writeups on these three spells, since they're pretty interchangeable.
Aspect of the WerebeastRoE: Nothing about this Shifter-only self-buff says it only works when you're in a humanoid form, but it is severely limited by its round/level duration. Prep it instead of Bite of the Wereboar anyway, and use Tiger aspect exclusively. Round/level pounce that you can share with your pet is delicious.
Boreal WindFrost: This is a mix of Gust of Wind and an AOE blast. In a fight, the damage is okay but lasts for multiple turns and enemies who don't save have a hard time approaching you, and out of a fight, this has a bunch of interesting utility and RP uses. This is a stylish, versatile, and powerful spell.
Claws of the SavageBoVD: Got claws? This gives you a +2 enhancement bonus on them, and also gives increases your claw damage as if you were two sizes larger. It is an Evil-typed spell, though. I should really learn to read durations. This is higher level than Greater Magic Fang and only slightly stronger, while being inexplicably evil to use and shorter duration. Bleh.
Frostfell SlideFrost: The first of the [blank]stride spells. This is probably the most situational, but use it in winter in even a temperate climate and it's almost as good as Teleport.
Miasma of EntropySC: This is one of the Spell Compendium stinkers, with issues like having a saving throw in the statblock but no explanation of what that saving throw does in the spell description. However, as written, everyone in the area who isn't wearing metal or magic clothing or armor ends up naked. And, really, isn't that worth a fourth-level spell slot? My handwritten notes from reading SC are: "miasma of entropy - seriously what is up with this spell seriously"
MoonboltSC: Anti-undead save-or-die that won't make you feel bad for prepping it on a day where you meet no undead. Note that it can hit two targets if they are within 15' of each other.
Murderous MistSC: AOE save-or-lose, with a gigantic area and targeting reflex? That's worth it. Someone suggested I add this to the list back when I was still maintaining it, and I didn't think it was that good. What in the HELL was I thinking?
Superior Magic FangSC: GMF on all of your attacks. It's self-only, though. Aaaand has a really short duration. Not worth the in-combat action.
Vortex of TeethSC: A spell that does force damage, and can tear apart anything that can't get away. This makes a mess of anyone caught in Entangle. Typo fix

5th Level
Animal Growth: Multiple animals (your pet and any summons running around) get bigger and get some nice bonuses. One of the best buffs in the game, let alone in core. Typo fix
Baleful Polymorph: Turn your opponent into something inoffensive. Toad is a classic form that offers no advantage to your target. This is the core option for transporting Animal Companions in cramped quarters or inappropriate environments Pokemon-style, since, as a permanent spell, it's dispellable.  Classy tricks include polymorphing your Roc Animal Companion into a raven for cramped quarters, or polymorphing your T-Rex companion into a frog to go underwater. Some grammar fiddling
Call Lightning Storm: Call Lightning, only more so. 5 dice of damage instead of 3. This is emphatically not three spell levels better than Call Lightning. Not worth bothering with.
Choking SandsSand: Miasma, only less so. Alternately, nonpsionic Crisis of Breath. Good for shutting down a caster for a turn. Far too situational. It's neat that this always works, but nothing about the spell says someone can't still talk/spellcast, just that they can't breathe. Most opponents can hold their breath for the duration of a fight.
Cloak of the SeaSC: When you're underwater, it's Water Breathing, Freedom of Movement, and Blur, all in one neat little (long-duration!) package. A must-have for any underwater adventures.
Owl's InsightSC: A long-duration scaling boost to Wisdom with an unusual bonus type? A must for focused druidic casters, although summoners and wild shapers can give this a pass, since it doesn't do anything but raise spell DCs.
Phantom StagSC: Phantom Steed, only two spell levels higher and with slightly beefier stats. Since druids already have always-on flight at this level from Wild Shape, this is mainly useful for the Etherealness ability it gains at 18th level. This isn't that great except for the etherealness. I would boot it except that it's still okay for spirit shamans.
Quill BlastSC: After the Spell Compendium rewrite, this once-broken spell is now not quite as hot. It still outperforms typical blasts for a couple of levels, but by level 9 blasting is probably not the most optimal thing to be doing. It is a really mean spell for a GM to use on the PCs, though. It just isn't worth it. Every time I prepped this I ended up dropping it for a pack of crocs or an elemental. Blasting just isn't that great at this level, especially self-targeted bursts.
Ice ShieldFrost and Stoneskin: Excellent defensive spells (Ice Shield is stronger but has a shorter duration), but both are too monetarily expensive to use too often. My home group houseruled the monetary costs off of these spells and I still didn't cast them much. They're just not that great.
Tree Stride: Teleport, but self-only and your GM can arbitrarily limit your use of it, since you need a chain of trees to travel long distances. It's still good.

6th Level
Bite of the WerebearSC: Bite of the Weretiger only moreso. You'll probably be fine simply prepping Bite of the Weretiger instead; this spell offers relatively small benefits over that spell.
DrownSC: Save or dying (0 hp). Handy for capturing enemies alive. Not death magic, but obviously doesn't work on non-living creatures, water-breathers, or creatures with no lungs. This has replaced the repeatedly-nerfed MiasmaSC.
Enveloping CocoonSC: A reflex-based save-or-lose, force-based to boot. Unfortunately, it doesn't work on anyone who can cast Dimension Door (or any similar non-somatic escape spell) or anyone who has a natural weapon or a light weapon in hand. On top of that, unless you just want to trap them for caster level/rounds, you'll need to follow it up with another spell (like Baleful Polymorph). Not so sure about this one...
Fire Seeds: Excellent trap spell when used to make holly berry bombs. Couple it with some sort of fire resistance or immunity and you have a killer emanation-from-yourself nuke. What was I thinking? Fire damage at 11th level? Blasting at 11th level? No, no, no, no, no. Even with holly berry suicide bombing, it's just not worth it. Plus, in certain environments it's a huge liability; Holly Berry Bombs set buildings and forests on fire.
Greater Scrying: Scrying without the long casting time and relatively short duration; the minor spells you can cast through the sensor aren't that useful. So why don't you just cast Scry?
StormwalkSC: The best of the various druidic teleports. It's strictly worse than the usual sorc/wiz Teleport, but unlike all of the other druidic teleport spells it works on the whole party and doesn't require pre-planning or a tree/pool/snowdrift/whatever.
Tortoise ShellSC: Basically, Greater Barkskin. Not as good as Greater Luminous Armor, but is natural armor instead of armor. A level 6 spell for only +1 AC over a level 2 spell, and it comes with a disadvantage? Forget it.

7th Level
CloudwalkersSC: 10 min./level flight for the entire group. This is getting into the "If you can't fly you can't play" levels, but it is handy for anyone who hasn't gotten their wings yet.
Master EarthSC: Quite nice as it allows teleportation, a rarity for druids, unerringly to any location touching the earth. As it doesn't have the teleportation descriptor, it can thwart problems such as Forbiddance, Dimensional Anchor/Lock, etc. Grammar edits
Word of BalanceSC: Somewhat unreliable because of the odd alignment restrictions, but very powerful when it works.

8th Level
Red TideSC: Save, and you're prone and have a -2 to pretty much everything. Don't save, and you're limited to move actions and poisoned with a nasty strength-damage poison. Save-and-you-suck-anyway is always a good choice, and this is a huge 30' radius burst.
StormrageSC: Flight, the ability to throw respectable lightning bolts, and immunity to projectile ranged attacks and wind effects of all kinds. This is more of a spirit shaman or cleric spell due to the flight, but the immunities are helpful.
Word of Recall: A quick escape spell, and one of the very few teleportation spells available to druids.

9th level
Summon Elemental MonolithSC: The elemental monoliths are ridiculously powerful, especially given the very high save DCs of the whirlwind and vortex abilities of air and water monoliths. Unlike previous Concentration-duration summons, these are worthwhile even if you can't cheat on the concentration requirement. (And no, Swift Concentration from Complete Scoundrel doesn't work.) Obviously, this is a spirit shaman's ultimate spell. Swift Concentration lasts for one round a fight, like all skill tricks.

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Re: The Druid Handbook
« Reply #85 on: October 10, 2009, 06:01:11 AM »
I don't see Quill Blast as a blasting spell, I see it as a debuff. If you're fighting someone who is medium, they take a -8 to all attack rolls, saves, and checks, -4 on a successful save. -4 to attacks/saves/checks, no save, is pretty solid already. (Like a maximized Enervate) If they're huge or larger, that's a potential -12. A -12 to saves is a death warrant for most anyone.

Edit: Wait, it says noncumulative. Those don't stack? Okay, nevermind, that spell's pretty horrid. My fault.

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« Reply #86 on: October 10, 2009, 10:28:22 AM »
9th level
Summon Elemental MonolithSC: The elemental monoliths are ridiculously powerful, especially given the very high save DCs of the whirlwind and vortex abilities of air and water monoliths. Unlike previous Concentration-duration summons, these are worthwhile even if you can't cheat on the concentration requirement. (And no, Swift Concentration from Complete Scoundrel doesn't work.) Obviously, this is a spirit shaman's ultimate spell. Swift Concentration lasts for one round a fight, like all skill tricks.

Sonorous hum could work if you have some way of getting access to it - like an artificer buddy using Spell Storing Item to give you a hat that has sonorous hum in it, spellstitching, UMD and a wand, a friendly archivist (imbue with spell ability and the divine bard version of sonorous hum), craft contingent spell, or... ick... multiclassing.

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Re: The Druid Handbook
« Reply #87 on: October 11, 2009, 10:45:07 AM »
Sonorous hum could work if you have some way of getting access to it - like an artificer buddy using Spell Storing Item to give you a hat that has sonorous hum in it, spellstitching, UMD and a wand, a friendly archivist (imbue with spell ability and the divine bard version of sonorous hum), craft contingent spell, or... ick... multiclassing.

Or Arcane Heirophant and Familiar Concentration.

There's no non-ugly way for a druid to get free concentration, so I'm assuming you can't get it. Monoliths are still worth it even if you can't.

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Re: The Druid Handbook
« Reply #88 on: October 13, 2009, 08:37:05 AM »
Claws of the SavageBoVD: Got claws? This gives you a +2 enhancement bonus on them, and also gives increases your claw damage as if you were two sizes larger. It is an Evil-typed spell, though. I should really learn to read durations. This is higher level than Greater Magic Fang and only slightly stronger, while being inexplicably evil to use and shorter duration. Bleh.
Actually, I kinda like this. GMF affects a single natural weapon, claws of the savage affect all (usually 2) claws. Arguably (but perhaps not raw), it could also affect rake attacks.
At lvl 8, polar bear form:
claws of the savage grant +2 to attack and +8 to damage for 80 minutes for 2 claws
greater magic fang gives +2 to attack and +2 to damage for 8 hours for 1 claw (or +1 / +1 to all nat.attacks)

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Re: The Druid Handbook
« Reply #89 on: October 13, 2009, 09:27:30 PM »
At lvl 8, polar bear form:
claws of the savage grant +2 to attack and +8 to damage for 80 minutes for 2 claws
greater magic fang gives +2 to attack and +2 to damage for 8 hours for 1 claw (or +1 / +1 to all nat.attacks)
And GMF is better for all of the other level 8 staple forms unless you houserule CotS to be better. Bears seems to be the only WS forms with so much combat mojo tied up in claws.

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« Reply #90 on: October 14, 2009, 12:58:47 AM »
What would you rate the spell from Complete Adventurer, Wracking Touch? It is a touch attack that adds sneak attack damage if you have it. It is good for druid/swordsages and druid/rogues.
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Re: The Druid Handbook
« Reply #91 on: October 14, 2009, 01:00:13 AM »
What would you rate the spell from Complete Adventurer, Wracking Touch? It is a touch attack that adds sneak attack damage if you have it. It is good for druid/swordsages and druid/rogues.


....  druid swordsages and druid rogues exist?

Man... I pity the guys who play that...

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Re: The Druid Handbook
« Reply #92 on: October 14, 2009, 02:33:53 AM »
The spell is alright if you're playing a rogue/druid/daggerspell shaper or something, but wild grapple from the same book is probably a better choice most of the time. 

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Re: The Druid Handbook
« Reply #93 on: October 14, 2009, 08:25:32 AM »
What would you rate the spell from Complete Adventurer, Wracking Touch? It is a touch attack that adds sneak attack damage if you have it. It is good for druid/swordsages and druid/rogues.

It's, um, good if you have sneak attack and don't have a flask of acid laying around. What kind of comments are you looking for?

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« Reply #94 on: October 14, 2009, 09:12:40 PM »
I was just looking for how it stands up to other choices really. I have never used it myself, but a friend has and I wanted some input from the community before I chose it.
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Re: The Druid Handbook
« Reply #95 on: October 14, 2009, 09:20:09 PM »
Well... if your friend is playing a rogue/druid/dagger spell sucker build... he might not really care what is optimal or not anyways... 

So, if your stuck with that build because a raving geeky madman is pointing a gun at our head and saying: YES, TRY TO DO TOMB OF HORRORS WITH THIS, COME ON TRY TO DO IT NOW, I WANT TO SEE YOU FAIL!!!!  Then you have no choice to play, your sheet appearing to your eyes between tears of fear, then.... well an acid flask is much better anyways, as was already said.

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Re: The Druid Handbook
« Reply #96 on: October 15, 2009, 01:21:40 PM »
I was just looking for how it stands up to other choices really. I have never used it myself, but a friend has and I wanted some input from the community before I chose it.
It really depends on how much value you think you can get out of the sneak-attack-without-the-setup aspect of the spell, because otherwise the spell is absolute rubbish. (Compare it to Produce Flame, for example.)

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Re: The Druid Handbook
« Reply #97 on: October 15, 2009, 01:35:32 PM »
Any opinions on the Wild Reaper variant?  Turn Undead, fast healing, ability score healing, seems pretty strong to me.
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Re: The Druid Handbook
« Reply #98 on: October 15, 2009, 09:18:06 PM »
Any opinions on the Wild Reaper variant?  Turn Undead, fast healing, ability score healing, seems pretty strong to me.
It's kind of puzzling. Looking at Crystal Keep, I don't know how good the spontaneous casting is, but other than that what you lose (plant wild shape) is much less than what you gain (fast healing, turn undead which means divine feats). If Enhance Wild Shape is allowed in your game and the wild reaper spontaneous casting is good, then it's strictly better than straight druid.

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Re: The Druid Handbook
« Reply #99 on: October 16, 2009, 05:25:10 AM »
I'm suddenly reminded of the 10pg argument I once read over whether or not a giant squid is considered "prehistoric" for the purposes of the Primeval prestige class =)