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« on: October 28, 2011, 05:00:38 PM »

For example, I can get rage from Half-Orc Paragon and Barbarian... but if I tack on Rage Cleric then it stacks with Barbarian so that's only 2 iterations.  Multiple domains don't count (because access to domains is a single class feature).  Also, uncanny dodge doesn't count either because after the second you don't get any benefit from it.

Legal <=20 level builds only.

My current best is 5 independent iterations of being able to turn into a bear in 16 levels (need the Educated feat or something similar to get Knowledge:Arcana as a class skill):

Werebear (+2LA) Shifter Druid 5/Bear totem Barbarian 1/Beartouched Master 5/Bear Warrior 1/Sentinel of Bharrai 3

Can anyone beat that, for any class feature?  My guess for the best contender is Smite.
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« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2011, 05:23:36 PM »

Azurin cleric/dread necromancer/sacred exorcist/radiant servant/contemplative with three of the elemental domains. Then grab Planar Touchstone (Catalogues of Enlightenment) to grab the granted power of the remaining elemental domain.

Channel incarnum
Rebuke undead
Turn undead
Greater turn undead
Turn water
Turn air
Turn fire
Turn earth

That's 8 kinds of turning.
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« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2011, 05:34:12 PM »

Azurin cleric/dread necromancer/sacred exorcist/radiant servant/contemplative with three of the elemental domains. Then grab Planar Touchstone (Catalogues of Enlightenment) to grab the granted power of the remaining elemental domain.

Channel incarnum
Rebuke undead
Turn undead
Greater turn undead
Turn water
Turn air
Turn fire
Turn earth

That's 8 kinds of turning.

Make it a variant cleric from Dragon 312 or 313 i think, they get Turning that works against anything that worships a diety that is an enemy of your faith.
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« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2011, 05:39:26 PM »

Azurin cleric/dread necromancer/sacred exorcist/radiant servant/contemplative with three of the elemental domains. Then grab Planar Touchstone (Catalogues of Enlightenment) to grab the granted power of the remaining elemental domain.

Channel incarnum
Rebuke undead
Turn undead
Greater turn undead
Turn water
Turn air
Turn fire
Turn earth

That's 8 kinds of turning.
If you can tack them on in there there are a few more domains with turning: moon has turn lychanthropes, Scallykind has rebuke reptilians, slime has rebuke oozes, & spider rebukes spiders. Pretty sure you could get all of those with Speaker, at least as long as the DM is willing to tack those not listed onto a deity. I also think, but am not sure, about there being a turn/rebuke of dragons in a book.
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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2011, 05:41:10 PM »

Can't take the variant cleric because the Azurin cleric already swapped out normal turning for Channel incarnum.
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« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2011, 05:44:34 PM »

The dragon one is dragonblooded cleric from Races of the Dragon. It's a racial sub level, so it doesn't work with azurin either.

I forgot about Sovereign Speaker. I'm AFB at the moment, Ill add those in later.
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« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2011, 06:04:15 PM »

Why not just look at the List of Stuff and figure out which ability has the most entries?
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« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2011, 06:08:00 PM »

Sneak attack; we've seen ways to get it 20-30 times

Evasion is also probably pretty high up there; dipping all the evasion providing classes.
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« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2011, 06:35:44 PM »

Why not just look at the List of Stuff and figure out which ability has the most entries?

Because not all of those will be legal builds.

Sneak attack; we've seen ways to get it 20-30 times

Evasion is also probably pretty high up there; dipping all the evasion providing classes.

Sneak Attack doesn't count, all of those sources of precision damage stack.  Same problem I'm having with smite -- most classes that give smite stack (though not all, which is what I'm working on).
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« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2011, 06:56:49 PM »

I'm quite sure that "Bonus Feat" is the one you can get the most of.
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« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2011, 07:11:20 PM »

Wizard
Sorcerer
Cleric
Druid
Archivist
Dread Necromancer
Favored Soul
Beguiler
Bard
Healer
Adept
Duskblade
Warmage
Wu-Jen
Shugenja
Spirit Shaman

What do all this classes have in common? Wink
Add in a couple of prcs and maybe you'll even have full 20.
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Or you could just be a cleric of an ideal. Like, physics and say that the domain choices reflect potential and kinetic energy.

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« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2011, 07:38:05 PM »

Bonus feats is probably the winner.  A fighter 20 with VoP will have 21, can you do better?  But... that seems a little cheesy (in the bounds of the competition), and spellcasting is DEFINITELY cheesy.  Also, needs more mystic ranger and trickster spellthief.

Here's a build that gets 13 different smites, and is legal (skill points are a bitch, but it is doable with a good int):

dwarf cloistered cleric 1/paladin 4/soulborn 1/witch slayer 1/sanctified mind 2/topaz guardian 2/shadowbane inquisitor 2/vigilante 2/hunter of the dead 2/platinum knight 1/ordained champion 2

smite any (destruction domain)
smite giant (dwarven cleric sub level)
smite evil (paladin)
smite evil outsider (planar paladin sub level)
smite opposition (soulborn)
smite spirit sharer (witch hunter)
smite abberation (topaz guardian)
smite psionic creature (sanctified mind)
smite the corrupt (shadowbane inquisitor)
smite the guilty (vigilante)
smite undead (hunter of the dead)
smite evil dragons (platinum knight)
smite any (ordained champion)

EDIT: Actually, fighter 20 w/ VoP only has 2 bonus feat class features.  So that loses.  What's the build that gets the most "bonus feat" class features?
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« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2011, 07:44:39 PM »

Nah. I think I won. Fighter feats is one class feature and VoP isn't even a class feature.
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Quote from: Lateral
Or you could just be a cleric of an ideal. Like, physics and say that the domain choices reflect potential and kinetic energy.

 Plus, where other clerics say "For Pelor," "For Nerull," or "For Crom?" You get to say, "FOR SCIENCE!" *fanfare*

About me:
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I know your game, you just want a magical Amazon.com to knock off those good ol' honest magic shops run by polite, old wizards!
Use Iron Heart Surge on the sun. That'll teach him to use fluff as RAW.

Damn you! You totally ruined my build that was all about getting epic far shot early and throwing my enemies into the sun!
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« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2011, 07:48:58 PM »

Yeah, "Spells" Class feature probably wins as ImperatorK demonstrated...that's 16 separate Spell casting classes right there.  I am assuming we can hit 20 somehow.

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« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2011, 07:50:52 PM »

You might be right... unless we can find something else.  Can you make a legal build that gets a separate spellcasting progression at every level?

And what's the most bonus feat class features you can get?  Fighter/Monk/Artificer/Binder/etc.?
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« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2011, 08:08:11 PM »

Weapon and armor proficiency is a class feature. 
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« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2011, 08:20:29 PM »

For bonus feats, do we count classes that give a specific bonus feat, or only general bonus feats like fighter, wizard, etc.?
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« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2011, 09:35:23 PM »

Yeah, "Spells" Class feature probably wins as ImperatorK demonstrated...that's 16 separate Spell casting classes right there.  I am assuming we can hit 20 somehow.

-K

There are 37 separate divine spell lists, not including classes like favored soul that use an existing one, so yeah, you can stack spellcasting up really high.
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« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2011, 08:28:33 AM »

21 Domains.

Deity: Sovereign Host (adapted to have Heironeous or equivalent)
Alignment: LG/LN
Race: Elf or Half-Elf

Shaman (OA) 1 War, Planning  (Weapon Focus, Extend Spell, Persistent Spell)
Cloistered Cleric 1 Knowledge, Undeath, Time (Extra Turning, Improved Initiative)
Cloistered Cleric 2 (Worldly Focus)
Cloistered Cleric 3
Ordained Champion 1 Domain
Sovereign Speaker 1 Spell (DMM: Persist)
Sovereign Speaker 2 Domain
Sovereign Speaker 3 Domain
Sovereign Speaker 4 Domain (Skill Focus: Knowledge (Religion)
Sovereign Speaker 5 Domain [4th level Cleric spells = DMM: Persist Divine Power = qualify for Divine Crusader]
Divine Crusader 1 Domain [1st level DC spells]
Contemplative 1 Domain (Dragonfriend) [2nd level DC spells]
Divine Oracle 1 Oracle  [3rd level DC spells]
Seeker of the Mystic Isle 1 Travel [4th level DC spells]
Church Inquisitor 1 Inquisition (Toughness) [5th level DC spells]
Sovereign Speaker 6 Domain
Sovereign Speaker 7 Domain [6th level DC spells]
Sovereign Speaker 8 Domain (Open Feat) [7th level DC spells]
Sovereign Speaker 9 Domain [8th level DC spells]
Dracolyte 1 Glory [9th level DC spells]

Domains: War, Planning, Knowledge, Undeath, Time, Spell, Oracle, Travel, Inquisition, Glory, 11 others.
(Some required, others just too helpful not to take, like Spell)

Charisma synergy between DMM: Persist and Divine Crusader's Charisma-based casting.
And STILL 9th level spells.
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« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2011, 09:20:17 AM »

Use that infinite cohorts from psicrystals chain, should be able to get infinite heirophant cohorts also, have them all grant you class features. Infinite turn undead and infinite wildshape.
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