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Re: [D&D 3.5] ECL 10+ Campaign
« Reply #40 on: October 22, 2011, 06:22:49 PM »
Throwing my hat in the ring if it's not full yet. I'm fine with either party alignment, I'll do a mockup for good/evil/neutral and we'll see how it goes.

EDIT: curious about what powerlevel to run at. sirper's Illumian Binder 1/Wiz 1/Anima Mage 5/Incantatrix 8 is going to blow almost anyone else out of the water, especially martial characters, unless we are Spelldancers, Thrallherds and Planar Shepards.

:D  I can stay away from that one if it makes everyone feel better... the full build is designed to get lots of free metamagic on everything (depending on a rules interpretation), so I could focus on party buffing, maybe go into war weaver once we hit epic?

If a combo of Anima Mage and Incantatrix is too much, I could also go Wiz 5/Incantatrix 10/Escalation Mage 5... but that's not much better.

Maybe I should stick to one of the other builds... ack!  All of my builds might be overpowered.  So yes, let me know (a) what power level we want, and (b) how optimized we want to be.

Honestly the UM build might be the most party-centric, if I go Illumian Wizard 2/Master Specialist 2/Knight of the Weave 1/Ultimate Magus 10/War Weaver 5.

And if all of them are overpowered, (a) :( (b) I have more ideas!  I could play a straight soulcaster, I could play the build I suggested to dna1 (Crusader 8/Divine Crusader 3/Sovereign Speaker 9), I could play a factotum...
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Re: [D&D 3.5] ECL 10+ Campaign
« Reply #41 on: October 22, 2011, 06:30:06 PM »
Throwing my hat in the ring if it's not full yet. I'm fine with either party alignment, I'll do a mockup for good/evil/neutral and we'll see how it goes.

EDIT: curious about what powerlevel to run at. sirper's Illumian Binder 1/Wiz 1/Anima Mage 5/Incantatrix 8 is going to blow almost anyone else out of the water, especially martial characters, unless we are Spelldancers, Thrallherds and Planar Shepards.

:D  I can stay away from that one if it makes everyone feel better... the full build is designed to get lots of free metamagic on everything (depending on a rules interpretation), so I could focus on party buffing, maybe go into war weaver once we hit epic?

If a combo of Anima Mage and Incantatrix is too much, I could also go Wiz 5/Incantatrix 10/Escalation Mage 5... but that's not much better.

Maybe I should stick to one of the other builds... ack!  All of my builds might be overpowered.  So yes, let me know (a) what power level we want, and (b) how optimized we want to be.

Honestly the UM build might be the most party-centric, if I go Illumian Wizard 2/Master Specialist 2/Knight of the Weave 1/Ultimate Magus 10/War Weaver 5.

And if all of them are overpowered, (a) :( (b) I have more ideas!  I could play a straight soulcaster, I could play the build I suggested to dna1 (Crusader 8/Divine Crusader 3/Sovereign Speaker 9), I could play a factotum...

Just play the one you like the most.

I, for one, am not interested in power level. I focus on building something pretty fluffy with a good balanced progression. In the end, I'll take the role the party needs the most, I guess.

If we go evil though, I'm definitely going for the Skeletal Jurassic Park theme. That's something I've been thinking about for a long time and this seems like a good chance to play it. Nothing overpowered though, I don't want to build an army, just walk around with a bunch of good ol' T-Rexes.

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Re: [D&D 3.5] ECL 10+ Campaign
« Reply #42 on: October 22, 2011, 07:12:24 PM »
I wasn't trying to talk you out of Incantatrix, only opening up the discussion of the groups power level.

[spoiler]If LA buyoff is approved I'm considering Ghost 4(1-3 bought off)/XXX 5/Master Of Unseen Hand 3/Fiend of Possession 6.
If LA buyoff is not approved then Ardent X/Fiend of Possession 6? Maybe. I'm not sure.

the message here is that if we go evil, I want Fiend of Possession.  :)[/spoiler]

I'd like to try Swiftblade Arcane Swordsage. @DM, if your willing to consider it, I'll draw up hard rules for it. From the hip, I'd avoid anything that breaks the game if used at will, like Charms, Time Stop, Summons, or Conjurations. I'd avoid BFC, maneuvers would all be direct damage. Stances would be buffs. Counters/boosts would be either nerfed swift/immediate spells or maneuvers as written.

Examples of spells I'd use:
[spoiler]Bloodwing,Treacherous Weapon
Seeking Ray, Scorching Ray, Heroics
Ray of the Python, Dispel Magic, Haste
Resilient Sphere, Enervation, Dimension Door
Spell Theft, Shadow Evocation, Streamers, Storm Touch
Greater Dispel
Grasping Hand[/spoiler]

I can also scale my character to the party's power level fairly well by spell choice. Like if everyone goes metamagic reducing full casters, I'd learn Polymorph stance. Things like that.
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Re: [D&D 3.5] ECL 10+ Campaign
« Reply #43 on: October 22, 2011, 07:28:02 PM »
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Re: [D&D 3.5] ECL 10+ Campaign
« Reply #44 on: October 22, 2011, 07:34:04 PM »
Sounds like lots of you would love to go evil, so I guess I'll start looking up a couple of things for my cleric as well as starting to prepare the sheet.

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Re: [D&D 3.5] ECL 10+ Campaign
« Reply #45 on: October 22, 2011, 07:36:13 PM »
Just play the one you like the most.

I, for one, am not interested in power level. I focus on building something pretty fluffy with a good balanced progression. In the end, I'll take the role the party needs the most, I guess.

If we go evil though, I'm definitely going for the Skeletal Jurassic Park theme. That's something I've been thinking about for a long time and this seems like a good chance to play it. Nothing overpowered though, I don't want to build an army, just walk around with a bunch of good ol' T-Rexes.

 :lmao

That's the problem... there are too many!

I love the T-Rexes idea... and that gives bears's FoP some fun things to ride around in :D
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Re: [D&D 3.5] ECL 10+ Campaign
« Reply #46 on: October 22, 2011, 07:42:44 PM »
DM said that we should worry about our defenses. Do you know good mean of protection against divination other than Vecna-blooded template?

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Re: [D&D 3.5] ECL 10+ Campaign
« Reply #47 on: October 22, 2011, 07:54:40 PM »
I guess the thing to do is see what other chars we have and then fill whatever need.  I don't think either of my Ur-Priest builds will step on the jurassic cleric's toes too much, but the ur priest/anima mage might be too much overlap with our straight binder.  Also, we don't have an arcane caster right now...  so here's an adjusted set of possible builds for the evil party:

~Eldritch Hellfire Urlock Disciple (warlock 4/binder 1/ur-priest 2/eldritch disciple 9/hellfire warlock 3/mindbender 1 in some order)
~Incantatrix: infinite metamagic (wiz 5/incantatrix 10/totemist 2/soulcaster 3)

and for a non-evil party:

~Weaver of Epic Eldritch Baskets (illumian wiz2/ms2/knight of the weave 1/ultimate magus 10/war weaver 5, probably incantatrix in epic unless we work out an epic UM)

DM said that we should worry about our defenses. Do you know good mean of protection against divination other than Vecna-blooded template?

Well, there's Unseen Seer...

EDIT: Removed Incantatrix 2, b/c I'm already playing an Escalation Mage in another game or two.
EDIT: Removed yo dawg, because I'm not sure how sovereign speaker would work in Faerun and anyway I like the other ideas better.
« Last Edit: October 22, 2011, 11:57:27 PM by sirpercival »
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Re: [D&D 3.5] ECL 10+ Campaign
« Reply #48 on: October 22, 2011, 08:05:19 PM »
I guess the thing to do is see what other chars we have and then fill whatever need.  I don't think either of my Ur-Priest builds will step on the jurassic cleric's toes too much, but the ur priest/anima mage might be too much overlap with our straight binder.

Don't worry about overlapping. Two binders with Zceryll are better than one binder with Zceryll ;)

If you go ultimate magus route, what about spellthief and master spellthief? Crazy CL.

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Re: [D&D 3.5] ECL 10+ Campaign
« Reply #49 on: October 22, 2011, 08:11:21 PM »
I guess the thing to do is see what other chars we have and then fill whatever need.  I don't think either of my Ur-Priest builds will step on the jurassic cleric's toes too much, but the ur priest/anima mage might be too much overlap with our straight binder.

Don't worry about overlapping. Two binders with Zceryll are better than one binder with Zceryll ;)

If you go ultimate magus route, what about spellthief and master spellthief? Crazy CL.

lol.  OK, then I'll add the anima disciple (divine anima mage) build back in, I guess.  Ack!  Too many choices.   :banghead

The UM build is less about crazy CL's and more about burning less-interesting KotW slots for free metamagic on the wizard slots, except when I want to bust out the CL 36 uncapped spell I ported into the KotW list from my spellbook.  I'd have to take several levels of spellthief to make it worthwhile... though I guess I could do so in epic.

EDIT: What's the verdict on custom items?
« Last Edit: October 22, 2011, 08:18:49 PM by sirpercival »
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"You... saved me? So I was dismantled? I... thank you, then. I will not incinerate you."

There's only one character concept worth having, and that's the one you've thrown darts at.
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Re: [D&D 3.5] ECL 10+ Campaign
« Reply #50 on: October 22, 2011, 08:56:38 PM »
By all means, combine items!
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Re: [D&D 3.5] ECL 10+ Campaign
« Reply #51 on: October 22, 2011, 08:57:51 PM »
By all means, combine items!

And completely custom items?

EDIT: For example, if I do my hellfire warlock, I was thinking about a continuous item of kinkiness (sadism, masochism :D)
« Last Edit: October 22, 2011, 08:59:43 PM by sirpercival »
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"You... saved me? So I was dismantled? I... thank you, then. I will not incinerate you."

There's only one character concept worth having, and that's the one you've thrown darts at.
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Re: [D&D 3.5] ECL 10+ Campaign
« Reply #52 on: October 22, 2011, 09:01:49 PM »
By all means, combine items!

And what about buy-off, bloodlines and way how they interact with caster level and effective binder level?

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Re: [D&D 3.5] ECL 10+ Campaign
« Reply #53 on: October 22, 2011, 09:52:39 PM »
I'm interested in joining you, is there a slot available for an other player ?

As for characters concepts, i'm looking for opportunities to play a Dragonfire Adept ( a human or raptoran one, or if possible, a pixie) or a Savage raptoran paladin5//Binder 5//KoSS 4.

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Re: [D&D 3.5] ECL 10+ Campaign
« Reply #54 on: October 22, 2011, 10:11:39 PM »
Man, lots of pact magic love!

I think I'm not going to do the anima disciple build.  It's too similar to a character I'm playing IRL at the moment, and enough other people are interested in playing a binder that we'll have a swiss army knife already.  Taking it out of the above post...

Now all we need to do is decide: evil, or not?

Like if everyone goes metamagic reducing full casters, I'd learn Polymorph stance. Things like that.

I don't know about "everyone", but that's pretty much where I'm headed unless I play Yo Dawg.

Love the arcane swordsage/swiftblade idea.  I've always wanted to see both of those classes in action!

EDIT: Also, my incantatrix 1 build is not valid for what I wanted to do with it, so I'm editing it as well.

EDIT: Would arcane swordsage w/ assassin's stance qualify you straight up for Unseen Seer?
« Last Edit: October 22, 2011, 10:15:15 PM by sirpercival »
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"You... saved me? So I was dismantled? I... thank you, then. I will not incinerate you."

There's only one character concept worth having, and that's the one you've thrown darts at.
[/spoiler]

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Re: [D&D 3.5] ECL 10+ Campaign
« Reply #55 on: October 22, 2011, 10:26:49 PM »
I don't know about the others, but I'm doing a Master of Many Forms. I don't care if I'm going to be the weakest party member, I've been wanting to play one for years. Since the MoMF doesn't really kick into high gear until level 12, the options to play one have been very scarce.
So that's what I'm doing, if I make any final cut (if there's going to be any such).

Good, we can combine item. Now let's pimp those threads.


Oh and I think this is officially going to be awesome since it seems like there's plenty of Binder love here.
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I prefer to not play Evil personally, but I can do it just fine. I'm heading for Nature's Warrior and that has "Any Neutral" as a prerequisite.
So I can go either Neutral Good, True Neutral or Neutral Evil.
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Re: [D&D 3.5] ECL 10+ Campaign
« Reply #56 on: October 22, 2011, 10:29:22 PM »
Are you doing Wildshape Ranger or Druid?

I just discovered the Wild Reaper variant druid in Dragon 311, which gets fast healing, fast ability healing, and turn undead at level 12.  Yes, that's a druid with DMM.
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There's only one character concept worth having, and that's the one you've thrown darts at.
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Re: [D&D 3.5] ECL 10+ Campaign
« Reply #57 on: October 22, 2011, 10:30:16 PM »
As for LA buyoff, I'm not sure what you mean, so you'll have to explain it to me before I can say yes or no.

I'm sure that he meant this.

Ya as I said before we dont use LA buy off on our games IRL, so I doubt he will be allowing it here. I could be wrong though.  

Regardless evil or good, I will be making some sort of melee badass. Possibly a charger/dungeon crasher.. who knows. So many ideas to choose from... needless to say it will be OverPowered and completely ridiculous  :D.  But in order to keep up with the casters in that range it will have to be, right?  :devil

edit: alternatively, I may go with a Fiend of Possession build and just possess a war troll or something....  (actually I rather like that idea. Now Im really considering a FoP or Thrallherd.. or possibly Man with the Burning Eyes character. I dont really want to be a caster, but I do like the idea of possessing bad ass shit  :smirk)
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Re: [D&D 3.5] ECL 10+ Campaign
« Reply #58 on: October 22, 2011, 10:48:18 PM »
New plan: let's play a party entirely of binders and FoP's.
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"You... saved me? So I was dismantled? I... thank you, then. I will not incinerate you."

There's only one character concept worth having, and that's the one you've thrown darts at.
[/spoiler]

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Re: [D&D 3.5] ECL 10+ Campaign
« Reply #59 on: October 22, 2011, 10:49:58 PM »
This is a rough draft of what my cleric would look like. My alternative to this is a Rogue/Mountebank/Charlatan maybe throwing some Black Dog there to max poison use.

By the way:

[SIZE=+1]Kristian Matsson[/SIZE][/URL]
Male N-E Human Cleric, Level 15, Init +5, HP 161/161, Speed 20 ft
AC 31, Touch 26, Flat-footed 26, Fort +20, Ref +15, Will +21, Base Attack Bonus +11/+6/+1  
Collision, Seeking Greatbow+1 +19/+14/+9 (1d10+5,  )
 (+5 Dex, +5 Natural, +4 Deflect, +7 Misc)
Abilities Str 8 , Dex 20, Con 22, Int 10, Wis 24, Cha 12
Condition None

It's very rough, it's just to let you know what I'm aiming at.


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