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Barrist Trickster (Peach)
« on: August 01, 2008, 08:07:55 PM »
Barrist Trickster



"With a flick of the wrist is all that is needed to turn the tide of battle" - Niddion Swant, Gnome Barrist Trickster


HD: d8
Skills: Choose ten
Skp/level: 6+int
Saves: Fort Good, Relfex poor, Will good
Bab: Good

level, benefit
1 Spellcasting, Trickster Knack
2 Summon familiar, Eschew materials
3 Bonus Feat, Ace up the sleeve
4 Magic Scroll, Ranged Expertise
5 Tricky Style +2
6 Skill Mastery, Natural Skill
7 Bonus Feat, Gallant Nature
8 Skill Mastery, Forced Swiftness
9 Tricky Style +3
10 Skill Mastery, Studious
11 Bonus Feat, Eschew Foci
12 Skill Mastery, Natural Skill
13 Tricky Style +4
14 Skill Mastery, Stalwart
15 Bonus Feat,
16 Skill Mastery, Steadfast
17 Tricky Style +5
18 Skill Mastery, Natural Skill
19 Bonus Feat,
20 Skill Mastery, Big Joker

Weapon and Armor Proficiency: All simple and martial weapons, all armor and all shields (including tower shields)

Starting Gold
6d8x10gp

Spellcasting: As Adept and add universal spells to the list. (Excluding Polymorph and Baleful Polymorph)

Trickster's Knack (Sp): Gain Ghost Sound, Detect Magic, Prestidigitation, and Message at will as a swift action.

Summon Familiar: as Wizard

Bonus Feats:At 3rd and every 4 levels, the BT gains a bonus feat. He can choose a metamagic feat, an item creation feat, or a general feat. The BT must still meet all the requirements for a bonus feat, including caster level minimums.

Ace up the sleeve (su): You can channel divine energy into increasing combat ability. As a swift action, you can "lose" an orison to gain a +3 to damage rolls and +10' enhancement bonus to movement until the start of your next turn.

Tricky Style (Ex): In any round when you move 10ft or more, you gain a comptance bonus to Saving throws, AC, spell DC, or Attack equal to your style bonus until the start of your next turn.

Skill Mastery: The BT becomes so certain in the use of certain skills that she can use them reliably even under adverse conditions. Upon gaining this ability, she selects a skill. When making a skill check with one of these skills, she may take 10 even if stress and distractions would normally prevent her from doing so.


Gallant Nature (Ex): At 7th level, a BT has a persuasive way of gaining favors from the aristocracy. A BT can reroll a Diplomacy check once per day, but only when attempting to influence the attitudes of nobility or royalty. A BT must take the result of the re-roll, even if it's worse than the original roll. See Diplomacy on pg. 73 of the Player's Handbook

Seduction (Ex): At 6th level, a BT has a lascivious way of acquiring knowledge through less than diplomatic channels. A BT gains an additional use of the Bluff skill called seduce to learn secret. The BT can use charm, flirtation, or seduction to learn a coveted secret that is known by a nonplayer character. In order for this iteration of the Bluff skill to work, the non-player character must find the BT physically attractive and be in a position to actually know the secret in question. There are five kinds of secrets that can be learned with a seduce to learn secret check . The fewer people that know a secret, the greater their loyalty to keep that secret.

Code: [Select]
Secret DC* Example
Common 10 Password told to the city guard, known by 16 or more people
Uncommon 20 Identity of thieves' guild leader, known by 9 to 16 people
Valuable 30 A merchant ship hauling exotic goods, known by 5 to 8 people
Deadly 40 Plans to invade a foreign land, known by 3 to 4 people
Unutterable 50 The mental disability of a king, known by 3 or less people

*The DC assumes that the nonplayer character is indifferent.
The Bluff check is modified by -20 if the NPC is hostile, -10 if the NPC is unfriendly,
 +5 if the NPC is friendly, and +10 if the NPC is helpful.
« Last Edit: August 09, 2008, 09:52:01 AM by Leress »

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Re: Barrist Trickster (Peach)
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2008, 09:06:14 PM »
It needs somewhat better formating, ASAP. Look at Dman's guide to Homebrewing. That should get you started.

Also, if you know how to use Excel and have Adobe PDF Converter, you can just make the entire thing into a PDF and upload it directly to the net through BG. Look under the Additional Options button when you post to find the Attachments option.


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Re: Barrist Trickster (Peach)
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2008, 09:58:23 PM »
This probably also better belongs in the User Creations forum.

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Re: Barrist Trickster (Peach)
« Reply #3 on: August 01, 2008, 10:06:21 PM »
What have you balanced this against?

You've created a Fighter/Rogue/Wizard with a bunch of cool extra abilities.

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Re: Barrist Trickster (Peach)
« Reply #4 on: August 02, 2008, 08:56:18 PM »
What have you balanced this against?
The class be able to handle about 50-60% of the creatures of a given CR.
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You've created a Fighter/Rogue/Wizard with a bunch of cool extra abilities.
More like Warrior/Adept/Expert/Aristocrat with a couple of more abilities.

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Re: Barrist Trickster (Peach)
« Reply #5 on: August 02, 2008, 09:15:46 PM »
10 bonus feats.  full BAB, weapons, armour and shields.  d8 hit die good fort/will.

Sounds like a fighter to me.  Losing 1 feat and d2hp for a good will save is almost even.

Choose 10 skills/6+ skill points per level.

Now its a lot better, esp. being able to choose any skills.

Add in half spellcasting and suddenly it is isn't even close to balanced anymore.

And then you have a ton of special abilities which I can't even wade through.

What I would do is download the ranger from the SRD and then mold this on top of it.  That way you'll have spells and you can replace the ranger abilities with your abilities.  After that you can tweak it so that it has its own structure, but at least you will be in the ballpark of balanced.

I would start by getting rid of all of those bonus feats and reducing the weapon and armour proficiencies.


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Re: Barrist Trickster (Peach)
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2008, 05:13:45 AM »
A full frontliner with 6+ skill points, free skill choice (yay UMD!), bonus feats and special abilities aplenty and spellcasting? This isn't even unbalance, it's ridiculous. Unless you're giving this class to a newbie amongt a group of powergaming expert, it's just overtly broken.

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Re: Barrist Trickster (Peach)
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2008, 09:52:35 AM »
Made some adjustments

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Re: Barrist Trickster (Peach)
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2008, 01:23:16 PM »
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Made some adjustments

It is still completely ridiculous.

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Re: Barrist Trickster (Peach)
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2008, 06:04:30 PM »
It's still way too powerful, but that's not my main problem. Could you please explain me what is th4e FLAVOR of this class? All I see is a fighter/adept/rogue with 1000 cool abilities and no link between them. What does it mean to be a barrist trickster? What role do you fulfill? How are they organized? Is there a special, dunno, conde of conduct, a history, or whatever?

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Re: Barrist Trickster (Peach)
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2008, 06:40:06 PM »
It reminds me of a Dilettante, but without the flavour of the class, and with extra abilities tacked on. I just don't see a core theme that the class can hang the hat on.

If you had actually mashed a Warrior/Adept/Expert/Aristocrat, it would be a fair bit more balanced than this current jumble.
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Re: Barrist Trickster (Peach)
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2008, 12:11:37 AM »
Props, Leress.  Very nice bard replacement.  Competent melee, light spellcasting, and moderate skills.  Very well done.
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