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Expanded Spellbook for Transmuter
« on: October 10, 2011, 07:19:24 PM »
What's a good <= 3rd level transmutation spell for a focused transmuter gish to grab with Expanded Spellbook at MS2?

Options I'm considering:
Water Walk (would prove useful in the very near future, but not afterwards, and he would choose for general utility)
Blade Storm
Earth Hammer
Lion's Charge
Righteous Fury

Thoughts??
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Re: Expanded Spellbook for Transmuter
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2011, 07:42:29 PM »
Glibness is also pretty neat IIRC.

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Re: Expanded Spellbook for Transmuter
« Reply #2 on: October 10, 2011, 07:52:31 PM »
Some more options:
Anyspell - to cast spells outside the Wizard spell list, like Wu-Jen, Bard...
Blade Storm
Acorn of Far Travel
Improvisation
Master Air
Righteous Fury

All very good options.

EDIT: I should really check the post I reply to more often... Anyway, RF seems best, to me.
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Re: Expanded Spellbook for Transmuter
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2011, 09:54:55 PM »
Can't use Anyspell, it has to be prepared in a domain slot... :/
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Re: Expanded Spellbook for Transmuter
« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2011, 10:17:45 AM »
What's a good <= 3rd level transmutation spell for a focused transmuter gish to grab with Expanded Spellbook at MS2?

Options I'm considering:
Water Walk (would prove useful in the very near future, but not afterwards, and he would choose for general utility)
Blade Storm
Earth Hammer
Lion's Charge
Righteous Fury

Thoughts??

How are you casting the spell from expanded knowledge? All it does is add it to your spell book, not to your class spell list. So unless you pick a spell that you could otherwise cast, you just get a few "wasted" pages of spells in your book. If this works the way you think it does, all wizards would be able to cast all spells by adding them to their spell book, which can be done by varies means outside class features such as this one.

Or am i mistaken, and if so, why?
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Re: Expanded Spellbook for Transmuter
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2011, 10:29:57 AM »
RAW, this doesn't work since the Errata. But otherwise, it's a handy, not broken, class feature of Master Specialist.
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Re: Expanded Spellbook for Transmuter
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2011, 10:54:52 AM »
Wow, the errata really nerfed that class feature.  If you do as they suggest in terms of when to take the class, you get expanded spellbook at levels 5, 8, and 11, so that's a 3rd, a 4th, and a 6th level spell.  Since these are all spells you could put in your spellbook by purchasing the appropriate scrolls, doing so would cost you (including the cost for scribing) 2662 gp 5 sp.

3 levels of class feature =/= 2662.5 gp.

What makes SO MUCH MORE SENSE to me is that the whole point of being a master specialist is that you are really good at the school of magic you do, to the point where you can essentially research wizard versions of spells in your schools as part of your normal level advancement (you could do this anyway, but it would take you time and money).

My DM will almost certainly agree with me, so I still have the question above.

<snip>all wizards would be able to cast all spells by adding them to their spell book, which can be done by varies means outside class features such as this one.

Or am i mistaken, and if so, why?

The reason this is not true (in my re-interpretation which ignores the errata) is that normally you can only add wizard spells to your spellbook.  This class feature would be an exception to that (like you get from Wyrm Wizard or Recaster, but with the restriction that the spell be one from your chosen school) which added the spell to your class list.

It's not broken, or at least not more broken than any of the other ways there are to get non-wizard spells in your spellbook.  Which of the spells in the above list is going to break a transmuter gish at 5th level?  More than what he can do already?
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