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Tome Game
« on: October 06, 2011, 06:13:40 PM »
Going to DM a Tome Game if I get sufficient interest. Using my errata.

Level 6, 34 PB, average HP.

One thing I fucking hate: Lots of minions. (Calling Magic/Dominate Monster/Necromancy/Leadership) So don't do that.

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Re: Tome Game
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2011, 06:24:50 PM »
I wouldn't mind playing this guy, updated for your rules. It uses stuff grabbed from several places, including dragon magazine material, and also I planned to use an ACF on the Tome Fighter.
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Re: Tome Game
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2011, 03:33:55 AM »
I had actually tossed together an idea for a Conduit of the Lower Planes-based Gish a while back for someone who was going to join the City of the Spider Queen campaign, but ended up backing out. I'd love a chance to give the class a shot, especially with your errata. :)

The changes don't exactly amount to quite as broken a gish as the previously assumed rules, which makes a good deal of sense.
(Also, reading through that thread and seeing the comments on the Conduit's "two abilities", I would not take any sphere granting access to any sort of summon. You don't want tons of minions, and I don't want to do all that goddamn book-work anyway.)

Also, I believe the Conduit is capable of being much more interesting than just "a gish" and would definitely play it as such. The gish part was just what I had originally built it for that other time, and trying to just be a "big guy who swings a sword but has some magic" would probably be a big waste of people's time.
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Re: Tome Game
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2011, 04:45:15 AM »
What's making one more character? I'll see if I can't come up with a concept.

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Re: Tome Game
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2011, 04:48:33 AM »
I would be interested but I have never taken a look at any Tome material...  :bigeye
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Re: Tome Game
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2011, 06:19:20 AM »
I would be interested but I have never taken a look at any Tome material...  :bigeye
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Re: Tome Game
« Reply #6 on: October 07, 2011, 07:26:21 AM »
Hmm....
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Re: Tome Game
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2011, 10:27:47 AM »
Phaedrus, why would you take a Tome game to insert some character that is a non tome class, a non tome class, and some bullshit race that you picked because it has low EL to benefits ratio which also won't matter in Tome, because I'll be redesigning the race in the form of the Giant or Bugbear write ups, and their lower EL won't fucking matter.

That's a stupid character.

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Re: Tome Game
« Reply #8 on: October 07, 2011, 02:51:45 PM »
Because I'd already made that one, and didn't want to take the time (which I don't have) to make another one from scratch.
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A couple of water benders, a dike, a flaming arrow, and a few barrels of blasting jelly?

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Re: Tome Game
« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2011, 06:44:42 PM »
Because I'd already made that one, and didn't want to take the time (which I don't have) to make another one from scratch.

So you just thought you'd make me make the character from scratch, and hope I changed the monster in ways that happened to not be any work for you? Unlikely.

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Re: Tome Game
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2011, 07:52:45 PM »
Hey, I just remembered this stormlord I used as an NPC that sent my group of PCs running. I used the volodni "treant-lite" race for it from Unapproachable East, which has a LA +2 and no racial hit dice. It shouldn't be too hard to modify it to be acceptable, I think. Racial stats posted below (updated to be 3.5 compliant by me, it was 3.0):

[spoiler]+2 Constitution, +2 Wisdom, –2 Intelligence, –2 Charisma.
• Medium-size.
• Land speed 30 feet.
• Cold resistance 5.
• +4 racial bonus on Hide checks in wooded terrain.
• Low-Light Vision: Volodnis can see twice as far as a human in starlight, moonlight, torchlight, and similar conditions of poor illumination. They retain the ability to distinguish color and detail under these conditions.
• Plant: Volodnis are immune to poison, sleep, paralysis, stunning, and polymorphing. They are not subject to critical hits
or mind-affecting effects.
• DR 10/slashing (updated to 3.5 from the old "Half damage from Piercing." used in 3.0. This was based on how Treants were similarly converted.)
• Sustenance.
• Automatic Languages: Common, Sylvan. Bonus Languages:
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A couple of water benders, a dike, a flaming arrow, and a few barrels of blasting jelly?

Sounds like the makings of a gay porn film.
...thanks
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Re: Tome Game
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2011, 12:36:57 AM »
So... wtf. How is it easier to downgrade a level 10 stormlord to level 6 than to just make a level 6 stormlord? And why can't you just use a race that exists and is legal?

Okay, you can use that race, but you lose all plant immunities, and DR, and you are still subject to every shitty thing that happens to plants.

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Re: Tome Game
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2011, 12:47:21 AM »
So... wtf. How is it easier to downgrade a level 10 stormlord to level 6 than to just make a level 6 stormlord? And why can't you just use a race that exists and is legal?

Okay, you can use that race, but you lose all plant immunities, and DR, and you are still subject to every shitty thing that happens to plants.
The plant immunities are too strong you think?
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Re: Tome Game
« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2011, 12:54:41 AM »
So does that mean you'd ban warforged for their construct immunities? Not that I'd want to play one as a conduit anyway, but it's an example of a LA 0 race that gets a ridiculous amount of immunities for the relatively  low cost of reduced healing from cure spells. That doesn't make it right, of course.
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Re: Tome Game
« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2011, 12:58:41 AM »
So does that mean you'd ban warfirged for their construct immunities? Not that I'd want to play one as a conduit anyway, but it's an example of a LA 0 race that gets a ridiculous amount of immunities for the relatively  low cost of reduced healing from cure spells. That doesn't make it right, of course.
It means that he's a dick. End of story.

A human with the Product of Infernal Dalliance feat is better than that plant race. Free FoM > shitty DR. They both get a bunch of immunities based on type. I just thought a plant-Stormlord sounded cool. I was going to name him The Lorax.
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A couple of water benders, a dike, a flaming arrow, and a few barrels of blasting jelly?

Sounds like the makings of a gay porn film.
...thanks
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Re: Tome Game
« Reply #15 on: October 08, 2011, 01:09:30 AM »
So does that mean you'd ban warfirged for their construct immunities? Not that I'd want to play one as a conduit anyway, but it's an example of a LA 0 race that gets a ridiculous amount of immunities for the relatively  low cost of reduced healing from cure spells. That doesn't make it right, of course.

No Warforged are fine.

A human with the Product of Infernal Dalliance feat is better than that plant race. Free FoM > shitty DR. They both get a bunch of immunities based on type.

You are an idiot. Immunity to Poison + Freedom of Movement is not as good as DR 10, Immunity to Poison, Sleep, Paralysis, Stunning, Polymorphing, critical hits (and by extension SA and DA), and mind-affecting effects, and also +2 Wisdom and Con on top of that for a Wisdom based class.

In practice, saying +2 Wisdom and Con, Cold Resistance 5, Low Light Vision, and Sustenance is worth a feat is probably wrong, but pretty damn fucking close. But I don't care, because I don't want people making up homebrew races and then making me figure out how to balance them, because that's stupid. If you think being Human with Infernal Dalliance is better, then suck a cock and do that, because that's an actual legal choice that doesn't make more work for me.

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Re: Tome Game
« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2011, 01:18:52 AM »
So does that mean you'd ban warfirged for their construct immunities? Not that I'd want to play one as a conduit anyway, but it's an example of a LA 0 race that gets a ridiculous amount of immunities for the relatively  low cost of reduced healing from cure spells. That doesn't make it right, of course.
It means that he's a dick. End of story.

A human with the Product of Infernal Dalliance feat is better than that plant race. Free FoM > shitty DR. They both get a bunch of immunities based on type. I just thought a plant-Stormlord sounded cool. I was going to name him The Lorax.

 :lmao well at least its not just me this time.
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Re: Tome Game
« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2011, 04:22:19 AM »
So does that mean you'd ban warfirged for their construct immunities? Not that I'd want to play one as a conduit anyway, but it's an example of a LA 0 race that gets a ridiculous amount of immunities for the relatively  low cost of reduced healing from cure spells. That doesn't make it right, of course.

No Warforged are fine.

A human with the Product of Infernal Dalliance feat is better than that plant race. Free FoM > shitty DR. They both get a bunch of immunities based on type.

You are an idiot. Immunity to Poison + Freedom of Movement is not as good as DR 10, Immunity to Poison, Sleep, Paralysis, Stunning, Polymorphing, critical hits (and by extension SA and DA), and mind-affecting effects, and also +2 Wisdom and Con on top of that for a Wisdom based class.

In practice, saying +2 Wisdom and Con, Cold Resistance 5, Low Light Vision, and Sustenance is worth a feat is probably wrong, but pretty damn fucking close. But I don't care, because I don't want people making up homebrew races and then making me figure out how to balance them, because that's stupid. If you think being Human with Infernal Dalliance is better, then suck a cock and do that, because that's an actual legal choice that doesn't make more work for me.

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im going to have to +1 to the "he's a dick".  have fun playing this one guys. :devil
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Re: Tome Game
« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2011, 07:10:11 PM »
How many players are you looking for (or rather, are there any slots still open)?

I don't have anything made up yet, but I'm curious. A jester, assassin, or monk all sound like fun.
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Re: Tome Game
« Reply #19 on: October 13, 2011, 08:05:12 PM »
4-5 there are currently no characters submitted, so 4-5 slots open.