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Re: Simple Q&A 29: The CR 5 Gargantuan Dragon of DOOM
« Reply #160 on: October 12, 2011, 05:13:41 AM »
Q51 - What was the trick to LoP's Attack of the Clones. Can't find any of the pages.
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Q56: Is there a list of spells that grant templates somewhere?
Not that I know of. Most of them are boarder-line fluff ("rituals") anyways. I hear incarnate construct has one.

Since there is apparently absolutely no way in all of 3.5's glory to count as in 3 places at once, I'll try for another question:

Q58: Does someone have a nice list of the various ways the twice betrayer of shar can be beaten? I never saw anything that made the build immune to other casters' AMFs which means it relied on the usual motile defenses.
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Re: Simple Q&A 29: The CR 5 Gargantuan Dragon of DOOM
« Reply #161 on: October 12, 2011, 05:16:49 AM »
Q59:) Does anyone have/know how to make an effective warlock hideous blow focused net-wielding build? For some random reason this seems fun.
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Re: Simple Q&A 29: The CR 5 Gargantuan Dragon of DOOM
« Reply #162 on: October 12, 2011, 05:28:02 AM »
Q56: Is there a list of spells that grant templates somewhere?
So far as I know, you've got the Visage of the Diety line((half) Celestial/Fiend), Vile Death (Fiendish template to an undead), and Incarnate Construct (providing the template of the same name).  Others may provide template-like benefits, but only Wish and Miracle can actually grant them beyond those I already listed, IIRC.

EDIT: Unless you count spells like Animate/Create (greater) Undead.
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Re: Simple Q&A 29: The CR 5 Gargantuan Dragon of DOOM
« Reply #163 on: October 12, 2011, 05:34:05 AM »
Q60: can you use multiple pools of turning for the same dmm effect?  ex: i have 2 turn undead uses, and 5 rebuke plant uses.  can i pool them together to make one dmm:persistent effect?

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Re: Simple Q&A 29: The CR 5 Gargantuan Dragon of DOOM
« Reply #164 on: October 12, 2011, 05:57:00 AM »
Q51 - What was the trick to LoP's Attack of the Clones. Can't find any of the pages.
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Re: Simple Q&A 29: The CR 5 Gargantuan Dragon of DOOM
« Reply #165 on: October 12, 2011, 06:21:06 AM »
Q61: Quick balance question for my Armor Fix:

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The Grade 2 ability is Obscuring Mist at will as a Move action.


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Re: Simple Q&A 29: The CR 5 Gargantuan Dragon of DOOM
« Reply #166 on: October 12, 2011, 06:34:39 AM »
Q56: Is there a list of spells that grant templates somewhere?
So far as I know, you've got the Visage of the Diety line((half) Celestial/Fiend), Vile Death (Fiendish template to an undead), and Incarnate Construct (providing the template of the same name).  Others may provide template-like benefits, but only Wish and Miracle can actually grant them beyond those I already listed, IIRC.

EDIT: Unless you count spells like Animate/Create (greater) Undead.
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Re: Simple Q&A 29: The CR 5 Gargantuan Dragon of DOOM
« Reply #167 on: October 12, 2011, 06:59:23 AM »
Q58: Does someone have a nice list of the various ways the twice betrayer of shar can be beaten? I never saw anything that made the build immune to other casters' AMFs which means it relied on the usual motile defenses.

Getting a CL of 100 or higher (usually via Master Spellthief) and then casting a single Disjunction should do the trick. Note that Disjunction destroys AMFs, rather than dispelling them, so even with Dweomerkeeper's SU spell on an AMF, you can probably still get rid of them.
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Re: Simple Q&A 29: The CR 5 Gargantuan Dragon of DOOM
« Reply #168 on: October 12, 2011, 07:41:12 AM »
Q 62: A cleric of Hextor makes a potion of faith healing.  The hextorite is killed by a servant of Pelor, who loots the body and gets the potion.  He drinks it.  Is the follower of Pelor healed, or not?

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Potions are like spells cast upon the imbiber. The character taking the potion doesn’t get to make any decisions about the effect —the caster who brewed the potion has already done so. The drinker of a potion is both the effective target and the caster of the effect (though the potion indicates the caster level, the drinker still controls the effect).
Since the imbiber is "the caster of the effect"... I guess the potion of faith healing always works on the imbiber?
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Re: Simple Q&A 29: The CR 5 Gargantuan Dragon of DOOM
« Reply #169 on: October 12, 2011, 10:19:26 AM »
Q 62: A cleric of Hextor makes a potion of faith healing.  The hextorite is killed by a servant of Pelor, who loots the body and gets the potion.  He drinks it.  Is the follower of Pelor healed, or not?

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Potions are like spells cast upon the imbiber. The character taking the potion doesn’t get to make any decisions about the effect —the caster who brewed the potion has already done so. The drinker of a potion is both the effective target and the caster of the effect (though the potion indicates the caster level, the drinker still controls the effect).
Since the imbiber is "the caster of the effect"... I guess the potion of faith healing always works on the imbiber?

I think you're right, but the text sorta contradicts itself, there... Anyway, assume it works fully, since items don't keep track of who made them, generally.

"The character taking the potion doesn’t get to make any decisions about the effect —the caster who brewed the potion has already done so." - would suggest the effect is what the caster intended.

"The drinker of a potion is ... the caster of the effect (though the potion indicates the caster level, the drinker still controls the effect)." - would mean the drinker controls the effect.
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Re: Simple Q&A 29: The CR 5 Gargantuan Dragon of DOOM
« Reply #170 on: October 12, 2011, 02:49:32 PM »
Q63 - Is there a list somewhere of every prestige class that gives an accelerated alternate spellcasting progression?  By "accelerated" I mean that over 10 levels or less it gives access to 5th-level or higher spells (there are a lot that give alternate progressions up to 4th).  So far I have: Apostle of Peace, Sublime Chord, Suel Archanamach, Nar Demonbinder, Ur-Priest, Divine Crusader, Blighter, and Knight of the Weave.

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Re: Simple Q&A 29: The CR 5 Gargantuan Dragon of DOOM
« Reply #172 on: October 12, 2011, 09:49:19 PM »
Q64-If a confused creature is forced to attack the nearest creature, what exactly counts as an attack? In particular, a confused spellcaster loaded with diferent spells, including area options and with multiple creatures adjacent to him?

A64  No RAW answer available (RAW would just be that he'd have to use either a normal attack or a Special Attack, that's all an attack is), but I'd imagine he'd attack with the same sort of attack strategies he generally uses.  If he generally would AoE groups, that's probably what he'd do.

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Re: Simple Q&A 29: The CR 5 Gargantuan Dragon of DOOM
« Reply #173 on: October 12, 2011, 10:28:49 PM »
Q64-If a confused creature is forced to attack the nearest creature, what exactly counts as an attack? In particular, a confused spellcaster loaded with diferent spells, including area options and with multiple creatures adjacent to him?

A64  No RAW answer available (RAW would just be that he'd have to use either a normal attack or a Special Attack, that's all an attack is), but I'd imagine he'd attack with the same sort of attack strategies he generally uses.  If he generally would AoE groups, that's probably what he'd do.

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Agreed.  He should use the best tactics available to him.

Q 65: I've got a Druid//Sorcerer PC in my campaign that was wildshaped into an eagle, and flying above two trolls that hadn't noticed him yet.  He attacked one with a Melf's Acid Arrow, but missed.  He then wanted to know if the trolls would still be denied dex next round, as when they look up they're only going to see an eagle sitting in a tree.  I said something to the effect of "they may not recognize you as a threat right away, especially given the readily apparent party members approaching."  I also mentioned something about the sniping rules (part of the Hide skill).

Now he has emailed me with the thought of taking a rogue level, "because I'll always catch them off-guard."

What rules are there concerning this?  Would it basically be a bluff or disguise check to "pull off" being an unassuming eagle (assuming the targets didn't actually see a spell cast)?  Or should I just say "no, if you attack, even if you miss, they treat you as a threat, even if you just look like an innocent animal?"
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Re: Simple Q&A 29: The CR 5 Gargantuan Dragon of DOOM
« Reply #174 on: October 13, 2011, 12:15:47 AM »
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Re: Simple Q&A 29: The CR 5 Gargantuan Dragon of DOOM
« Reply #175 on: October 13, 2011, 01:54:28 AM »
Q64-If a confused creature is forced to attack the nearest creature, what exactly counts as an attack? In particular, a confused spellcaster loaded with diferent spells, including area options and with multiple creatures adjacent to him?

A64  No RAW answer available (RAW would just be that he'd have to use either a normal attack or a Special Attack, that's all an attack is), but I'd imagine he'd attack with the same sort of attack strategies he generally uses.  If he generally would AoE groups, that's probably what he'd do.

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Agreed.  He should use the best tactics available to him.

Q 65: I've got a Druid//Sorcerer PC in my campaign that was wildshaped into an eagle, and flying above two trolls that hadn't noticed him yet.  He attacked one with a Melf's Acid Arrow, but missed.  He then wanted to know if the trolls would still be denied dex next round, as when they look up they're only going to see an eagle sitting in a tree.  I said something to the effect of "they may not recognize you as a threat right away, especially given the readily apparent party members approaching."  I also mentioned something about the sniping rules (part of the Hide skill).

Now he has emailed me with the thought of taking a rogue level, "because I'll always catch them off-guard."

What rules are there concerning this?  Would it basically be a bluff or disguise check to "pull off" being an unassuming eagle (assuming the targets didn't actually see a spell cast)?  Or should I just say "no, if you attack, even if you miss, they treat you as a threat, even if you just look like an innocent animal?"

I'd rule that the trolls would be aware they're under attack after a missed attack, and would therefore be on their guard after that.  In the example you gave, the acid arrow was the surprise round.  After that you'd enter normal initiative and the trolls would recover from being flat-footed when their turns come up, even if they're not doing anything (though full defense might be appropriate against undetected assailants).

Additionally, the trolls should have gotten Spot and Listen checks to detect the druid-bird.  Natural Spell substitutes animal noises and limbs for verbal and somatic components, but those components are still required.  A spell-casting bird is still going to stand out a little.
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Re: Simple Q&A 29: The CR 5 Gargantuan Dragon of DOOM
« Reply #176 on: October 13, 2011, 02:58:56 AM »
Q64-If a confused creature is forced to attack the nearest creature, what exactly counts as an attack? In particular, a confused spellcaster loaded with diferent spells, including area options and with multiple creatures adjacent to him?

A64  No RAW answer available (RAW would just be that he'd have to use either a normal attack or a Special Attack, that's all an attack is), but I'd imagine he'd attack with the same sort of attack strategies he generally uses.  If he generally would AoE groups, that's probably what he'd do.

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Agreed.  He should use the best tactics available to him.

Q 65: I've got a Druid//Sorcerer PC in my campaign that was wildshaped into an eagle, and flying above two trolls that hadn't noticed him yet.  He attacked one with a Melf's Acid Arrow, but missed.  He then wanted to know if the trolls would still be denied dex next round, as when they look up they're only going to see an eagle sitting in a tree.  I said something to the effect of "they may not recognize you as a threat right away, especially given the readily apparent party members approaching."  I also mentioned something about the sniping rules (part of the Hide skill).

Now he has emailed me with the thought of taking a rogue level, "because I'll always catch them off-guard."

What rules are there concerning this?  Would it basically be a bluff or disguise check to "pull off" being an unassuming eagle (assuming the targets didn't actually see a spell cast)?  Or should I just say "no, if you attack, even if you miss, they treat you as a threat, even if you just look like an innocent animal?"

I'd rule that the trolls would be aware they're under attack after a missed attack, and would therefore be on their guard after that.  In the example you gave, the acid arrow was the surprise round.  After that you'd enter normal initiative and the trolls would recover from being flat-footed when their turns come up, even if they're not doing anything (though full defense might be appropriate against undetected assailants).

Additionally, the trolls should have gotten Spot and Listen checks to detect the druid-bird.  Natural Spell substitutes animal noises and limbs for verbal and somatic components, but those components are still required.  A spell-casting bird is still going to stand out a little.

However, without Spellcraft, they have no means of telling that the bird was casting a spell AFTER the fact, regardless of their spot and listen checks. Remember, Spellcraft can't be used untrained.
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Re: Simple Q&A 29: The CR 5 Gargantuan Dragon of DOOM
« Reply #177 on: October 13, 2011, 04:20:25 AM »
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Re: Simple Q&A 29: The CR 5 Gargantuan Dragon of DOOM
« Reply #178 on: October 13, 2011, 05:29:18 AM »
Additionally, the trolls should have gotten Spot and Listen checks to detect the druid-bird.  Natural Spell substitutes animal noises and limbs for verbal and somatic components, but those components are still required.  A spell-casting wildly squawking bird is still going to stand out a little.
However, without Spellcraft, they have no means of telling that the bird was casting a spell AFTER the fact, regardless of their spot and listen checks. Remember, Spellcraft can't be used untrained.
Right, but he's still going to be making a lot of noise while casting (assuming it has a verbal component)
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If you just heard a chicken squeal like it passed a cantaloup, and then you get hit by a spell from that direction, even someone of less-than-stellar intelligence is going to keep an eye out that direction, and likely duck if the chicken starts squawking again.
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Re: Simple Q&A 29: The CR 5 Gargantuan Dragon of DOOM
« Reply #179 on: October 13, 2011, 05:31:06 AM »
If you just heard a chicken squeal like it passed a cantaloup, and then you get hit by a spell from that direction, even someone of less-than-stellar intelligence is going to keep an eye out that direction, and likely duck if the chicken starts squawking again.
True, but you still won't think that the chicken did it. You might think it whizzed passed them, or their animal instincts kicked in. Would still need an intelligence check if you didn't personally see the chicken flinging spells.
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