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Re: Simple Q&A 29: The CR 5 Gargantuan Dragon of DOOM
« Reply #120 on: October 08, 2011, 06:45:13 AM »
The wildshape amulet was also included in the Magic Item Compendium.

Hmm, I looked through that before I posted, and didn't find it; and now I'm looking through it again and I still don't see it.  Can I get a page number?
Sorry, it must have been the wilding clasp that I was misremembering as the wildshape amulet.  The former is in the MIC.
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Re: Simple Q&A 29: The CR 5 Gargantuan Dragon of DOOM
« Reply #121 on: October 08, 2011, 07:13:16 AM »
Q 40 This is a question for DMs. If you're running a game, and the PCs aren't taking the proper amount of money as per the WBL that they should be because they're "heroes", do you increase the CR of a creature by 1 to compensate for their lack of gear? Because that's what my players are doing, even if they're not entirely conscious of it, and the stuff they're starting to come across is getting to be a bit much for them, even with my already lowering the CR.

I think the better solution is going to be to get creative about giving them stuff^^  Why and how are they refusing to take stuff?  Are they looting and then giving it to the poor?  Or is it a "looting dead bodies is evil" type of thing?
It's kind of like the latter. The last one was a farm had been ruined, and no one could figure out how or why. The PCs were paid a penance sum (plus food and shelter) because that's all the farmer could afford with his land ruined, and PCs accepted it, knowing that they'd get more of a reward elsewhere. However, after finding out about what caused the ruination, they decided to take the 50 gold from the farmer, and in exchange gave him the magic items and gold they found in the ruins underneath his farm, to sell and save his farm, even though it wasn't so ruined that the farmer and his family couldn't still at least feed themselves. The NPCs weren't going to be bankrupt in any way, but the PCs felt it would do better for them to give the farmer a better chance at surviving the winter.

Q 43 If a half-fiend/half-red dragon genie wants to grant you an item of any value less than 100k, but the stipulation is it has to be something devilish, or dragon oriented, what would you take? Note the character is not evil, but is lawful, and this is a legit question. I'm supposed to choose by next session.
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Re: Simple Q&A 29: The CR 5 Gargantuan Dragon of DOOM
« Reply #122 on: October 08, 2011, 07:38:37 AM »
Q 43 If a half-fiend/half-red dragon genie wants to grant you an item of any value less than 100k, but the stipulation is it has to be something devilish, or dragon oriented, what would you take? Note the character is not evil, but is lawful, and this is a legit question. I'm supposed to choose by next session.

Some options from Draconomicon are:
  • A dragoncraft breastplate with whatever enhancements you like.  
  • A dragonfang greatsword with whatever enhancements you like.  
  • A dragonbone longbow with whatever enhancements you like.  

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Re: Simple Q&A 29: The CR 5 Gargantuan Dragon of DOOM
« Reply #123 on: October 08, 2011, 07:40:54 AM »
Q 43 If a half-fiend/half-red dragon genie wants to grant you an item of any value less than 100k, but the stipulation is it has to be something devilish, or dragon oriented, what would you take? Note the character is not evil, but is lawful, and this is a legit question. I'm supposed to choose by next session.

Some options from Draconomicon are:
  • A dragoncraft breastplate with whatever enhancements you like.  
  • A dragonfang greatsword with whatever enhancements you like.  
  • A dragonbone longbow with whatever enhancements you like.  
Dang. Was hoping for some non weapons and armor. I'll have to edit it. Got mithral breastplate +2, the Shaky flaw, and a starmetal executioner's mace +1.
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Re: Simple Q&A 29: The CR 5 Gargantuan Dragon of DOOM
« Reply #124 on: October 08, 2011, 08:21:28 AM »
Q 40 This is a question for DMs. If you're running a game, and the PCs aren't taking the proper amount of money as per the WBL that they should be because they're "heroes", do you increase the CR of a creature by 1 to compensate for their lack of gear? Because that's what my players are doing, even if they're not entirely conscious of it, and the stuff they're starting to come across is getting to be a bit much for them, even with my already lowering the CR.

I think the better solution is going to be to get creative about giving them stuff^^  Why and how are they refusing to take stuff?  Are they looting and then giving it to the poor?  Or is it a "looting dead bodies is evil" type of thing?
It's kind of like the latter. The last one was a farm had been ruined, and no one could figure out how or why. The PCs were paid a penance sum (plus food and shelter) because that's all the farmer could afford with his land ruined, and PCs accepted it, knowing that they'd get more of a reward elsewhere. However, after finding out about what caused the ruination, they decided to take the 50 gold from the farmer, and in exchange gave him the magic items and gold they found in the ruins underneath his farm, to sell and save his farm, even though it wasn't so ruined that the farmer and his family couldn't still at least feed themselves. The NPCs weren't going to be bankrupt in any way, but the PCs felt it would do better for them to give the farmer a better chance at surviving the winter.

Their beneficence has attracted the notice of powerful celestials. The next time the party is in a serious bind, a force for good pauses the game while they rest and recover and upgrades their equipment with holy power (http://www.nuklearpower.com/2004/11/27/8-bit-chronicles-3-of-3/). A wee bit deus ex, but it will get the job done. Any sort of quest reward could work - it would be downright rude to turn down one of those.

It sounds like the party's reasoning was respect for property rights. If your setting is heavy on adventurers, there could be a "standard salvage fee" for recovering an evil dragon's hoard / rooting out an undead menace / whatever so that the people being rescued get most of their stuff back while the party keeps 25%.

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Q 43 If a half-fiend/half-red dragon genie wants to grant you an item of any value less than 100k, but the stipulation is it has to be something devilish, or dragon oriented, what would you take? Note the character is not evil, but is lawful, and this is a legit question. I'm supposed to choose by next session.

Depends on the character. If grafts are in, Buffeting Wings from Races of the Dragon are right at your limit. They provide all day fly or one of the very few ways of getting a wing buffet natural attack. On a multiattack flying leaping pounce build, that could be great. The Gemstone of Fortification from Draconomicon weighs in pretty cheap as long as you can convince the genie to embed it in your flesh, or the Dragon's Eye Amulet gives 30' blindsense.

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Re: Simple Q&A 29: The CR 5 Gargantuan Dragon of DOOM
« Reply #125 on: October 08, 2011, 08:29:48 AM »
Their beneficence has attracted the notice of powerful celestials. The next time the party is in a serious bind, a force for good pauses the game while they rest and recover and upgrades their equipment with holy power (http://www.nuklearpower.com/2004/11/27/8-bit-chronicles-3-of-3/). A wee bit deus ex, but it will get the job done. Any sort of quest reward could work - it would be downright rude to turn down one of those.
That's technically already happened. Their deities have come to visit them in person (even though they didn't know this at first), and given them legendary weapons (read: legacy weapons but without the need for feats and no penalties) that level up with them.
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Re: Simple Q&A 29: The CR 5 Gargantuan Dragon of DOOM
« Reply #126 on: October 08, 2011, 08:53:18 AM »
Dang. Was hoping for some non weapons and armor. I'll have to edit it. Got mithral breastplate +2, the Shaky flaw, and a starmetal executioner's mace +1.

Ring of the white wyrm (Frostburn) has some interesting abilities. 

Can you use the rules in Magic Item Compendium to add common effects?  That'd help fill out an item's price. 

Could you stretch the definition of “dragon-oriented” to cover a minor ring of universal energy resistance (Magic Item Compendium)? 

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Re: Simple Q&A 29: The CR 5 Gargantuan Dragon of DOOM
« Reply #127 on: October 08, 2011, 08:55:04 AM »
Dang. Was hoping for some non weapons and armor. I'll have to edit it. Got mithral breastplate +2, the Shaky flaw, and a starmetal executioner's mace +1.

Ring of the white wyrm (Frostburn) has some interesting abilities.  

Can you use the rules in Magic Item Compendium to add common effects?  That'd help fill out an item's price.  

Could you stretch the definition of “dragon-oriented” to cover a minor ring of universal energy resistance (Magic Item Compendium)?
I'll have to take a look at that ring. Not familiar with it.

Not allowed to use the MIC rules. If you want items to take the same slot, it's x1.5 the amount.

That's a very good question. I'll have to ask about that. I do have an empty ring slot, and we've been facing off against a lot of energy attacks as of late.

Sent the DM a list that I've narrowed it down to. See what he's willing to give out.
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Re: Simple Q&A 29: The CR 5 Gargantuan Dragon of DOOM
« Reply #128 on: October 08, 2011, 04:42:42 PM »
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Although you keep it in hand, the whip-dagger is treated as a ranged weapon with a maximum range of 15 feet and no range penalties.


all whips were ranged weapons in 3.0, invalid concern.

If you are going to use Unupdated 3.0 stuff then RAW your stuck with the worlds crappiest ranged weapon unfortunately.
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A whip dagger is a whip with a blade on the end that deals lethal damage.  It uses the same attack rules as a whip.
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Re: Simple Q&A 29: The CR 5 Gargantuan Dragon of DOOM
« Reply #129 on: October 08, 2011, 07:20:56 PM »
Q44: Is there any better form for PAO INT than the brokenzor sarrukh at 30?
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Re: Simple Q&A 29: The CR 5 Gargantuan Dragon of DOOM
« Reply #130 on: October 09, 2011, 12:16:49 AM »
Q44: Is there any better form for PAO INT than the brokenzor sarrukh at 30?

AFB, but is the Ethergaunt any better? They have huge INT. (Fiend Folio)
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Re: Simple Q&A 29: The CR 5 Gargantuan Dragon of DOOM
« Reply #131 on: October 09, 2011, 12:59:55 AM »
Q44: Is there any better form for PAO INT than the brokenzor sarrukh at 30?

AFB, but is the Ethergaunt any better? They have huge INT. (Fiend Folio)

Black Ethergaunts have 31 Int

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Re: Simple Q&A 29: The CR 5 Gargantuan Dragon of DOOM
« Reply #132 on: October 09, 2011, 02:57:31 AM »
Q44: Is there any better form for PAO INT than the brokenzor sarrukh at 30?

AFB, but is the Ethergaunt any better? They have huge INT. (Fiend Folio)

Black Ethergaunts have 31 Int


And immunity to arcane spells of 6th and lower, and natural spellcasting as a 17th level wizard.

Q 45: What is the CL mechanic of the Beholder Mage?  Same as any other PrC or akin to the Chameleon (2 CL/level of advancement)?
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Re: Simple Q&A 29: The CR 5 Gargantuan Dragon of DOOM
« Reply #133 on: October 09, 2011, 03:31:00 AM »
Q44: Is there any better form for PAO INT than the brokenzor sarrukh at 30?

AFB, but is the Ethergaunt any better? They have huge INT. (Fiend Folio)

Black Ethergaunts have 31 Int


And immunity to arcane spells of 6th and lower, and natural spellcasting as a 17th level wizard.

Q 45: What is the CL mechanic of the Beholder Mage?  Same as any other PrC or akin to the Chameleon (2 CL/level of advancement)?

A 45 As Beholder Mage level x2 (same as Chameleon)

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Re: Simple Q&A 29: The CR 5 Gargantuan Dragon of DOOM
« Reply #134 on: October 09, 2011, 04:23:31 AM »
Q44: Is there any better form for PAO INT than the brokenzor sarrukh at 30?

AFB, but is the Ethergaunt any better? They have huge INT. (Fiend Folio)

Black Ethergaunts have 31 Int


And immunity to arcane spells of 6th and lower, and natural spellcasting as a 17th level wizard.

Q 45: What is the CL mechanic of the Beholder Mage?  Same as any other PrC or akin to the Chameleon (2 CL/level of advancement)?

A 45 As Beholder Mage level x2 (same as Chameleon)

Would advancing BM casting still function this way, as it is part of its casting mechanic?
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Re: Simple Q&A 29: The CR 5 Gargantuan Dragon of DOOM
« Reply #135 on: October 09, 2011, 04:53:55 AM »
Q6 Consider a Bard 16/Eldritch Master 9.

at Eldritch Master level 4: he chooses the Cleric's spell list for his Spell Dilettante class feature. He gets the Spell Boost feature at Eldritch Master levels 3,6 and 9.

Does this mean that Spell Boost gives him a 7th, 8th and 9th level Bard spell slot? And he could add Greater Consumptive Field (7th level), Greater Spell Immunity (8th) and True Resurrection (9th) to his list of spells known?

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Re: Simple Q&A 29: The CR 5 Gargantuan Dragon of DOOM
« Reply #136 on: October 09, 2011, 04:58:55 AM »
Q44: Is there any better form for PAO INT than the brokenzor sarrukh at 30?

AFB, but is the Ethergaunt any better? They have huge INT. (Fiend Folio)

Black Ethergaunts have 31 Int


And immunity to arcane spells of 6th and lower, and natural spellcasting as a 17th level wizard.

Q 45: What is the CL mechanic of the Beholder Mage?  Same as any other PrC or akin to the Chameleon (2 CL/level of advancement)?

A 45 As Beholder Mage level x2 (same as Chameleon)

Would advancing BM casting still function this way, as it is part of its casting mechanic?

Well, the chameleon is probably a bad example, because it's somewhat debatable whether it's an actual "caster class" or not. The BM is an actual caster class, though, so if another prestige class says "you gain new spells per day and an increase in caster level (and spells known, if applicable) as if you had also gained a level in the spellcasting class to which you belonged before adding the prestige class level." you would obviously gain CL x2.  

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Re: Simple Q&A 29: The CR 5 Gargantuan Dragon of DOOM
« Reply #137 on: October 09, 2011, 11:43:46 AM »
Q46 How exactly does Magic Jar work? Has anybody ever made a breakdown, as surreal did for the polymorph line of spells? Specifically, I have a few starting questions:
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  • Do buffs stay with your body or your soul?
  • Can you, or can you not occupy bodies of life forces powered by negative energy?
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Re: Simple Q&A 29: The CR 5 Gargantuan Dragon of DOOM
« Reply #138 on: October 09, 2011, 05:37:46 PM »
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Q 35 When you make nonhumanoid armor with special materials, what part of the price is doubled? All of it, or just the base cost of the armor? Say for example, nonhumanoid mithral breastplate. 8400 gold, or 4400 gold?
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Re: Simple Q&A 29: The CR 5 Gargantuan Dragon of DOOM
« Reply #139 on: October 09, 2011, 07:13:08 PM »
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Q 35 When you make nonhumanoid armor with special materials, what part of the price is doubled? All of it, or just the base cost of the armor? Say for example, nonhumanoid mithral breastplate. 8400 gold, or 4400 gold?
The way i understood it was that the extra cost was due to the difficulty to create or rarity of making armor that shape not any additional materials. Dont think there is a RAW answer though.