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Re: 4th level optimization challenge: Surviving.
« Reply #20 on: September 19, 2011, 03:13:19 PM »
Remember that something 3/ToB class 1 has an initiator level of 3 and can use second level Maneuvers, so Crusader or Warblade is really useful for any melee guy.

Since when do you get to round that particular fraction up?

Thought that, but just reread it.... It's rounded down :/

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Re: 4th level optimization challenge: Surviving.
« Reply #21 on: September 19, 2011, 03:35:19 PM »
What about something like this?

Azurin Binder 2 (binding Naberius)/Crusader 2
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1. Toughness, Troll-Blooded
3. Shape Soulmeld: Therapeutic Mantle

Grants a lot of endurance through traditional healing, ability damage healing & regeneration, carries some nice offensive might and also has some nice perks regarding social skills/abilities with ample skills, command at will, disguise self at will and the ability to take ten on diplomacy & bluff checks.
This should be quite difficult to kill... If there were a way to add in some of the Dark Speech feats or other things to make good use out of that ability damage fast healing, it would be even better. You might check out the "Sacking your stats" thread devoted to this, but starting out you're not going to have any free feats, unless you can use flaws. Some of those crazy rituals from Lords of Darkness might be applicable, though...
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Re: 4th level optimization challenge: Surviving.
« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2011, 03:42:36 PM »
Since when do you get to round that particular fraction up?

Thought that, but just reread it.... It's rounded down :/

Example characters round up, which is probably where you got that idea.  But the actual rules do say round down.

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Re: 4th level optimization challenge: Surviving.
« Reply #23 on: September 19, 2011, 04:24:30 PM »
Toughness
Is it Pre-requisite? If not, better go for Improved Toughness for 4 instead of 3 HP.

It is indeed for Troll-Blooded.

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Re: 4th level optimization challenge: Surviving.
« Reply #24 on: September 19, 2011, 04:31:58 PM »
Some other good soulmelds to pick up through a feat are:

Blink Shirt: Teleport 10 ft.
Fellmist Rope: Minor Concealment (10%) from nonadjacent foes.
Planar Ward: Protection from mental control.
Soulspark Familiar: Creates soulspark familiar (also gain Altertness through this).

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Re: 4th level optimization challenge: Surviving.
« Reply #25 on: September 19, 2011, 06:24:40 PM »
Would Kalashtar be Human enough?

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Re: 4th level optimization challenge: Surviving.
« Reply #26 on: September 19, 2011, 09:21:25 PM »
MM's lovecraft PsyWar is fine.
The build is the only one built around those specific feats.

1 flaw opens 1 feat slot at almost no cost.
Dipping Erudite 1 gets a psicrystal and a feat slot ... perhaps instead of ToB 1.
Now you could share some of the powers with the psicrystal.

Psion 1 / PsyWar 2 / Erudite 1 also is very much in the Big Guy style, if you wanna go that way.
Psion or Erudite 3 / PsyWar 1 going Big Guy but picks up the construct healy power
(usually used on Warforged shapers) to tag on the psicrystal over and over = ~interesting.

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Re: 4th level optimization challenge: Surviving.
« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2011, 02:18:33 AM »
Toughness
Is it Pre-requisite? If not, better go for Improved Toughness for 4 instead of 3 HP.

It is indeed for Troll-Blooded.
Even so, incarnum toughtness is a better choice overall.


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Re: 4th level optimization challenge: Surviving.
« Reply #28 on: September 20, 2011, 02:20:37 AM »
Toughness
Is it Pre-requisite? If not, better go for Improved Toughness for 4 instead of 3 HP.

It is indeed for Troll-Blooded.
Even so, incarnum toughtness is a better choice overall.

Whatever...

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Re: 4th level optimization challenge: Surviving.
« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2011, 05:23:51 AM »
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Re: 4th level optimization challenge: Surviving.
« Reply #30 on: September 20, 2011, 01:35:26 PM »
Toughness
Is it Pre-requisite? If not, better go for Improved Toughness for 4 instead of 3 HP.

It is indeed for Troll-Blooded.
Even so, incarnum toughtness is a better choice overall.
Whatever...
Reason why is because it gives a point of essentia, which could be invested in either the feat or the Soulmeld (or any other receptacle you may find).  That said, at level 3, you have a max capacity of 1 essentia anyway, so without another receptacle, the original Toughness is better because those 3hp can be healed.
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