Wizard Thought Experiment: Only 3 Schools

[Lycanthromancer]

To change from Mulhorandi to a human?

And you even get the racial bonus feat and skill points.

[ImperatorK]

To change from Mulhorandi to a human?

And you even get the racial bonus feat and skill points.

But do I loose anything good from Mulhorandi?

[Caelic]

Hey, guys, cut him a little slack.  Some people actually like to stick to a setting as written.  I know that's not common here, but it doesn't mean it's wrong.

[ImperatorK]

Hey, guys, cut him a little slack.  Some people actually like to stick to a setting as written.  I know that's not common here, but it doesn't mean it's wrong.

That's the thing. Nowhere is it written that there's no changelings in FR and it is very save to say that there can be. I mean, you have everything you need to make them - dopplegangers and humans.

[InnaBinder]

Nowhere is it written that there are no nuclear-powered rocket ships piloted by refugees from the planet Krypton in Red and Blue Pajamas in Mulhorand, either; does that mean I should roll up a sci-fi Superman for the next FR game?  Of COURSE they don't explicitly list the things that AREN'T FOUND THERE.

[ImperatorK]

Dude, you're just being silly. If you don't want changelings in your Realms then say so, but don't insist that there can't be, because there can.

[InnaBinder]

Dude, you're just being silly. If you don't want changelings in your Realms then say so, but don't insist that there can't be, because there can.

Dude, you're just being arbitrary.  If you don't want Superman in your Realms then say so, but don't insist that there can't be, because there can.  See how that works?

What I asked, specifically, after the initial Red Wizard/Incantatrix solution to the problem was posed, was if there was a solution that was NOT SETTING SPECIFIC.  I apologize if that was in some way unclear.  Plugging your ears and saying 'Nya, nya, just because Incantatrix is published only in FR books and Red Wizard is tied closely enough to FR fluff to be excluded from the SRD doesn't mean it's setting specific' is just silly.  Being insulting over the fact that the question was posed?  Yeah, I don't even know what to call that.

[Mooncrow]

Dude, you're just being silly. If you don't want changelings in your Realms then say so, but don't insist that there can't be, because there can.

Dude, you're just being arbitrary.  If you don't want Superman in your Realms then say so, but don't insist that there can't be, because there can.  See how that works?

What I asked, specifically, after the initial Red Wizard/Incantatrix solution to the problem was posed, was if there was a solution that was NOT SETTING SPECIFIC.  I apologize if that was in some way unclear.  Plugging your ears and saying 'Nya, nya, just because Incantatrix is published only in FR books and Red Wizard is tied closely enough to FR fluff to be excluded from the SRD doesn't mean it's setting specific' is just silly.  Being insulting over the fact that the question was posed?  Yeah, I don't even know what to call that.

Under your restrictions, no, there's no way to make it work that I can think of.

[ImperatorK]

Dude, you're just being silly. If you don't want changelings in your Realms then say so, but don't insist that there can't be, because there can.

Dude, you're just being arbitrary.  If you don't want Superman in your Realms then say so, but don't insist that there can't be, because there can.  See how that works?

What I asked, specifically, after the initial Red Wizard/Incantatrix solution to the problem was posed, was if there was a solution that was NOT SETTING SPECIFIC.  I apologize if that was in some way unclear.  Plugging your ears and saying 'Nya, nya, just because Incantatrix is published only in FR books and Red Wizard is tied closely enough to FR fluff to be excluded from the SRD doesn't mean it's setting specific' is just silly.  Being insulting over the fact that the question was posed?  Yeah, I don't even know what to call that.

You don't have to be so freaking defensive about it. I'm just saying that changeling CAN be in FR and your reasons against it are silly. Nowhere was I trying to force on you using them or FR prcs in your little experiment. and if it's just experiment then there's no DM that ruled "changelings aren't in FR". There is only you. and if you ruled "there aren't any changelings in FR" then freaking say so from the beginning and don't get pissed off when someone doubts your choices.
If my suggestions or opinions are somehow irrelevant to your interests then just ignore them. No one is making you do what I say. Shesh. I'm not trying to make any bad blood between us. If I insulted you somehow, then sorry for that.

[Caelic]

That's the thing. Nowhere is it written that there's no changelings in FR and it is very save to say that there can be. I mean, you have everything you need to make them - dopplegangers and humans.

It's safe to say that there can be, but not that there are.  See the difference?  Until they produce a FR product that actually features changelings, we won't know for sure if there are canon changelings there...and, yeah, some people are really fussy about canon.  Moreso for the Realms than for most settings, I've noticed.

How to illustrate this?  How about this: it's very safe to say that there COULD be lightsabers and Jedi in the Star Trek universe.  It's a whole universe, after all.  Even if they're not called exactly the same thing, there could definitely be brown-robed mystics with telekinetic powers and light swords.

There could be, sure--but it's going to drive a lot of Star Trek purists nuts if you try to bring one into a Star Trek game.

Some people would just say, "Hey, cool!  My Klingon wants a lightsaber now!"  Others are going to say, "I want Star Trek that sticks as close to the source material as possible, and we've never seen lightsabers in Star Trek."

There's nothing wrong with either way, but it's a bit dickish, IMO, for EITHER perspective to crap on the other.  Telling the Trek purist that he's wrong and silly for not wanting lightsabers is as bad as the Trek purist telling a different group that they're wrong and silly for playing with Vulcans and lightsabers and having a good time doing it.

InnaBinder made a request with certain parameters.  Sure, it would've been nice if he'd been a little clearer about those parameters in the first post, and to be honest, I think they're still a little unclear--"not setting specific" is really tough to demarcate, given that about ninety percent of what's in the books has SOME connection to SOME setting.  (Is Radiant Servant of Pelor setting specific?  Seeker of the Misty Isle?)  Without knowing exactly where the line's drawn, it's gonna be tough to figure out what is and isn't fair game.

But he's made it clear that he doesn't think FR-specific stuff and changelings should mix, whatever the setting is, so let's just let it lie at that.

[ImperatorK]

Putting a specific, distinct thing (Jedi and lightsabers) in a different setting (Star Trek) is different than putting a generic thing (changelings) into a setting that has the two only elements that allow to have that thing by RAW (dopplegangers and humans). If there would be canon evidence that there are supernatural powers in Star Trek (I don't know if there are, didn't watch that series) then you could say that there could be Jedi (I'm pretty sure you could find the crystals and develop the technology to create lightsabers).

[Mixster]

To answer the question from the OP:

I don't think there are any non-setting specific PrCs that ban extra casting schools.

[skydragonknight]

Actually, by one interpretation of Red Wizard (with emphasis on the line "The Red Wizard must choose an additional prohibited school or schools using the rules in the [Player's Handbook), if you aren't a Diviner you give up two schools. So a Focused Specialist Wizard with at least 1 Red Wizard level would have five banned schools, leaving only 3 (specialization, divination + 1 extra). Also, since Red Wizard is DMG now and no longer has "of Thay" in its name, it is no longer campaign specific.