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Working on a Psy Warrior build
« on: September 07, 2011, 07:47:40 PM »
I'm planning out a build for a game I'm in. I'm starting at Human Psy Warrior2, and the campaign gives me IUS and Survival as free bonus feats. I get TWF, Imp. Initiative, and Weapon Finesse, and the 2nd level bonus feat is taken by Mantled Warrior (Freedom). Scores 10/15/14/12/14/8. I took Expansion and Claws of the Beast, and the one I get from my Mantle. I'm looking to combine this Masochistic Psy Warrior build                                                                                                                                                     Feats:
1: exotic weapon proficiency (spiked chain), psychic warrior: combat reflexes
2: psychic warrior: weapon finesse
3: dodge
5: psychic warrior: combat expertise
6: karmic strike
8: psychic warrior: power attack
9: deft opportunist
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15: robilar's gambit
17: psychic warrior: linked power
18: improved trip
20: psychic warrior: practiced manifester
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but making it more focused on two-weapon fighting. I'm unsure as how to go about this. I know monk can be a nice option for Psy Warrior, but I have inexplicable phobia of even the few GOOD uses of Monk. Advice?

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Re: Working on a Psy Warrior build
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2011, 12:15:53 AM »
How/why are you combining power attack with two weapon fighting?  You can't power attack with light weapons and without wasting a feat on oversized two weapon fighting, you take penalties if you don't use a light weapon in the off hand.  Also TWF works horribly with karmic strike since you only get one attack.
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Re: Working on a Psy Warrior build
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2011, 12:24:52 AM »
What Rebel7284 said, except that you can make TWF to work w/ Karmic Strike, but you need Double Hit.

Also, Survival as a bonus feat? ???
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Re: Working on a Psy Warrior build
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2011, 12:57:41 AM »

Combine with this:
http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19870774/Fighter-20:_The_34;Gatling_Chain_Gun34;_Tripper
as best you can. I think that is sort of what you are looking for?

Edit: for clarity's sake, the chain in the build is not the spiked chain. It is the chain from SS and can be wielded with 2 hands as a reach weapon or as a double weapon in standard melee range. Could also replace it with the kusari-gama as Solo says later. Which is probably what I would do.
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Re: Working on a Psy Warrior build
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2011, 02:55:25 PM »
How/why are you combining power attack with two weapon fighting?  You can't power attack with light weapons and without wasting a feat on oversized two weapon fighting, you take penalties if you don't use a light weapon in the off hand.  Also TWF works horribly with karmic strike since you only get one attack.

I'm not. I'm trying to replace the power attacking part of the build switched to TWFing.

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Re: Working on a Psy Warrior build
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2011, 03:37:15 PM »
What Rebel7284 said, except that you can make TWF to work w/ Karmic Strike, but you need Double Hit.

Also, Survival as a bonus feat? ???

Thanks, that's helpful, and, the setting is post-apocalyptic, and we start weaponless, so Survival is flavorful, and, hey, it's free.

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Re: Working on a Psy Warrior build
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2011, 04:04:47 PM »
Focus on TWF and Spiked Chain?

TWF with armor spikes.

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Re: Working on a Psy Warrior build
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2011, 04:10:26 PM »
Focus on TWF and Spiked Chain?

TWF with armor spikes.

I'm precariously trying to balance flavor and optimization. I can try that, but originally, she duel wields daggers. And, hello Dandu.

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Re: Working on a Psy Warrior build
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2011, 04:15:04 PM »
Have you considered dual wielding kusari-gama from the DMG?

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Re: Working on a Psy Warrior build
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2011, 04:20:58 PM »
Have you considered dual wielding kusari-gama from the DMG?

That works. The idea is a hunter that aids her survival abilities through her innate psionics.

Also, the other build I was combining it with was the TWFing build in Dictum Mortuum's handbook. I feel the combination of the two (somehow) would meet the concept I'm going for.
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Re: Working on a Psy Warrior build
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2011, 07:33:05 PM »
Psst. Survival isn't a feat. It's a skill.
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Re: Working on a Psy Warrior build
« Reply #11 on: September 08, 2011, 07:40:30 PM »
Skill Focus: Survival? Track? Open Minded? Able Learner?
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Re: Working on a Psy Warrior build
« Reply #12 on: September 08, 2011, 07:42:06 PM »
Skill Focus: Survival? Track? Open Minded? Able Learner?
Skill Focus should give you the skill as a class skill for all your classes.
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Re: Working on a Psy Warrior build
« Reply #13 on: September 08, 2011, 08:41:59 PM »
Psst. Survival isn't a feat. It's a skill.

Hahaha, sorry, I meant Self-Sufficient.

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Re: Working on a Psy Warrior build
« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2011, 08:53:12 PM »
Psst. Survival isn't a feat. It's a skill.

Hahaha, sorry, I meant Self-Sufficient.
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No, no, no!  If you feel you *must* take a crappy feat to somehow justify your man-of-the-wildeyness, take Endurance.  That, at least, leads to Steadfast Determination (granted, your Wisdom should be decent anyway, but I think your Con should still be higher and no failing Fortitude saves on a natural 1 is worth a feat).

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Re: Working on a Psy Warrior build
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2011, 08:54:24 PM »
Psst. Survival isn't a feat. It's a skill.

Hahaha, sorry, I meant Self-Sufficient.
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No, no, no!  If you feel you *must* take a crappy feat to somehow justify your man-of-the-wildeyness, take Endurance.  That, at least, leads to Steadfast Determination (granted, your Wisdom should be decent anyway, but I think your Con should still be higher and no failing Fortitude saves on a natural 1 is worth a feat).
It's a freebie feat the DM's handing out.

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Re: Working on a Psy Warrior build
« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2011, 09:01:57 PM »
Actually, instead of showing a preexisting build, maybe I should elaborate on the concept I'm trying to optimize to; She dual wields dagger/weapon that's flavorful to hunting. She's stranded in a post-apocalyptic setting, starting weaponless, and in studded leather, and has the stats as above. I want her to be themed on TWFing, and nimbleness, from prowling around the woods for so long, but she aids her combat ability through Psionics. Other then Claws of the Beast being a good power, I need it, consider I'm unarmed, although I do get IUS (not sure if that helps the Claws?). I'm thinking some kind of focus on stealth/self-buff powers to slice through enemies. Build ideas?
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Re: Working on a Psy Warrior build
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2011, 09:42:52 PM »
Psst. Survival isn't a feat. It's a skill.

Hahaha, sorry, I meant Self-Sufficient.
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No, no, no!  If you feel you *must* take a crappy feat to somehow justify your man-of-the-wildeyness, take Endurance.  That, at least, leads to Steadfast Determination (granted, your Wisdom should be decent anyway, but I think your Con should still be higher and no failing Fortitude saves on a natural 1 is worth a feat).
It's a freebie feat the DM's handing out.

Great to DCFS into something lethal.
Sorry, I saw the feat name and just...  Yeah.

Claws of the Beast can be built around, but if you want to use other weapons then don't bother.  Claws of the Beast has problematic wording that makes it not play nicely with other attack sources, IIRC.  There are a lot of good powers, however, that can benefit from the other shtick, like Strength of my Enemy.

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Re: Working on a Psy Warrior build
« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2011, 09:49:16 PM »
TWF may not be a good idea in a post apocalyptic setting as going into a situation "hands free" has innumerable advantages.

For one, it allows you to carry a flashlight, the better to detect mutant zombies with. For another, it allows you to open doors. Etc, etc.

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Re: Working on a Psy Warrior build
« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2011, 09:53:01 PM »
Check out the Soulbound Weapon ACF. You can get a double-weapon, maybe, or just optimize the Claws of the Beast power (which is pretty darned awesome, really). See if your DM will let you use the SW ACF to get a necklace of natural attacks with 'claw' as its focus. Then get as many claw attacks as you can manage.

Better with elan for Rapidstrike, obviously, which is more-or-less human.

[edit] TWF sucks without lots of bonus damage. Psywar can do it a bit, but it requires a LOT of work, and would be better served as something else. Natural attacks are superior in just about every way I can think of, barring rogue-type builds.
« Last Edit: September 08, 2011, 09:57:38 PM by Lycanthromancer »
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