Harmonious Knight: Not as cool as I'd like it to be

[Bill Bisco: Eloquent Elf]

I recently found a link to the Web Enhancement for Champions of Valor which has the Harmonious Knight ACF (Alternative Class Feature), instead of getting detect evil, they can get inspire courage.  However, I haven't found a use for this since Inspire courage is not bardic music.  It can't qualify for War Chanter, Dragonfire Inspiration and the like.  It really sucks, but that's what seems to be the RAW.  Thoughts?

[InnaBinder]

I recently found a link to the Web Enhancement for Champions of Valor which has the Harmonious Knight ACF (Alternative Class Feature), instead of getting detect evil, they can get inspire courage.  However, I haven't found a use for this since Inspire courage is not bardic music.  It can't qualify for War Chanter, Dragonfire Inspiration and the like.  It really sucks, but that's what seems to be the RAW.  Thoughts?

Are there ways to get bardic music or its equivalent for prereq purposes without Bard?

[KellKheraptis]

I recently found a link to the Web Enhancement for Champions of Valor which has the Harmonious Knight ACF (Alternative Class Feature), instead of getting detect evil, they can get inspire courage.  However, I haven't found a use for this since Inspire courage is not bardic music.  It can't qualify for War Chanter, Dragonfire Inspiration and the like.  It really sucks, but that's what seems to be the RAW.  Thoughts?

Are there ways to get bardic music or its equivalent for prereq purposes without Bard?

Heartfire Fanner PrC from Dragon Mag.

[Prime32]

Initiate of Milil

[Bill Bisco: Eloquent Elf]

That feat still doesn't give you bardic music.

[Shiki]

Stub I posted some times ago:

Mhm?

silverbrow human paladin 20 (harmonious knight sub levels)

15+ cha, 15 int, str>con>dex>wis

1-from smite to song
human-dynamic priest
3-lingering song
6-initiate of milil
9-devoted performer
12-dragonfire inspiration
15-words of creation
18-open

paladin acfs/variants: w/e
music of creation: trade inspire competence for song of the heart
switch other bards song to your liking

items: badge of valor, mwk? lute, vest of legends, battle rattle, continuous item of harmonize

spell: inspirational boost

From Smite to Song (Champion of Valor) effectively gives you Inspire Courage Bardic Music.
Initiate of Milil (Champion of Valor) is awesome.
Devoted Performer (Complete Adventurer) for more Bardic Music daily uses.

Anyway, the stub is far from perfect but is food for thoughts; I also am not sure if you can take those Bard ACFs' songs from your (I think "effective") Bard levels?

[Bill Bisco: Eloquent Elf]

No your post is pretty cool and I hope most DMs would allow it.  Unfortunately none of those feats or ACFs grant bardic music so by RAW it doesn't work.

[radionausea]

Heartfire Fanner.  Though it has two AWFUL feats as pre-reqs.  Negotiator and Skill Focus: Perform. :shudder:.  However a 1 level dip gives you 5 levels of bardic music and effects, the ability to gran your allies a feat and +1 CL

[Shiki]

^Btw, you can buy Skill Focus (Perform) for 5k from Heward's Hall (Complete Scoundrel), making it somewhat less painful.