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Re: Reasons to dislike Eberron
« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2011, 03:47:11 PM »
I'll step up as tending to agree with your 8th bullet-point, about not enough powerful NPCs to deal with the PCs.  Once the PCs reach double-digit levels, you may well have to contrive reasons why they aren't taking over a Dragonmarked house, or usurping the Brelish throne, or destroying the Karnathi armies by wiping out so many undead as to decimate them, etc.  Yes, you could point the PCs toward some other pressing business, but if any of the preceding strikes their fancy, they're pretty likely to succeed, barring Deus Ex Machina or whole-cloth changes to some of the canon.
I've heard this about it, too. Mostly that they get too powerful for the world to really contain them. It just wasn't designed for it.
Is that a bad thing? I wouldn't say so. The setting isn't for everyone, sure, but not bad because of that. I hope we agree on this.
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Or you could just be a cleric of an ideal. Like, physics and say that the domain choices reflect potential and kinetic energy.

 Plus, where other clerics say "For Pelor," "For Nerull," or "For Crom?" You get to say, "FOR SCIENCE!" *fanfare*

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Re: Reasons to dislike Eberron
« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2011, 04:29:41 PM »
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They know how to build them, it's just that the process involves an artefact. And you can give a man a prosthetic limb or glasses without understanding how to make a man. It's explicitly stated that warforged bodies are very easy to modify compared to most creatures.
To clarify, the Creation Forges rely on excavated artifacts that apparently provide them with sentience. Warforged have parts compatible with other excavated materials. Given that Awakening in general is beyond the setting's power level, I figure the Forges incorporated a device to Awaken a construct and give it a soul.
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Re: Reasons to dislike Eberron
« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2011, 04:49:12 PM »
Is that a bad thing? I wouldn't say so. The setting isn't for everyone, sure, but not bad because of that. I hope we agree on this.
It depends on the point of view. I don't mind there being powerful influencing forces in the game, but I hate when the DM slaps his dick in people's face in the form of powerful NPCs. So, as a general rule, I consider it a good thing.

Anything beyond that has to be a gentleman's agreement. As long as everyone in the game is okay with X level of setting disruption/modification, then the game is good to go.
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Re: Reasons to dislike Eberron
« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2011, 05:00:01 PM »
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It depends on the point of view. I don't mind there being powerful influencing forces in the game, but I hate when the DM slaps his dick in people's face in the form of powerful NPCs. So, as a general rule, I consider it a good thing.
And what would you say if your DM would do it and said in his defense "It's canon that NPCs involve themselves in every adventure, so it's the settings fault that I'm forced to do it."?
« Last Edit: August 26, 2011, 05:04:00 PM by ImperatorK »
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Or you could just be a cleric of an ideal. Like, physics and say that the domain choices reflect potential and kinetic energy.

 Plus, where other clerics say "For Pelor," "For Nerull," or "For Crom?" You get to say, "FOR SCIENCE!" *fanfare*

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Damn you! You totally ruined my build that was all about getting epic far shot early and throwing my enemies into the sun!
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Re: Reasons to dislike Eberron
« Reply #24 on: August 26, 2011, 05:20:17 PM »
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It depends on the point of view. I don't mind there being powerful influencing forces in the game, but I hate when the DM slaps his dick in people's face in the form of powerful NPCs. So, as a general rule, I consider it a good thing.
And what would you say if your DM would do it and said in his defense "It's canon that NPCs involve themselves in every adventure, so it's the settings fault that I'm forced to do it."?
I'd say you're dragging an argument from another thread into this one.   :smirk
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Re: Reasons to dislike Eberron
« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2011, 05:23:21 PM »
Did I mention FR somewhere? :smirk
I won't hide that the questioning has something to do with the other thread, but I'm just curious on RobbyPants's opinion.
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Or you could just be a cleric of an ideal. Like, physics and say that the domain choices reflect potential and kinetic energy.

 Plus, where other clerics say "For Pelor," "For Nerull," or "For Crom?" You get to say, "FOR SCIENCE!" *fanfare*

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I know your game, you just want a magical Amazon.com to knock off those good ol' honest magic shops run by polite, old wizards!
Use Iron Heart Surge on the sun. That'll teach him to use fluff as RAW.

Damn you! You totally ruined my build that was all about getting epic far shot early and throwing my enemies into the sun!
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Re: Reasons to dislike Eberron
« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2011, 05:25:33 PM »
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It depends on the point of view. I don't mind there being powerful influencing forces in the game, but I hate when the DM slaps his dick in people's face in the form of powerful NPCs. So, as a general rule, I consider it a good thing.
And what would you say if your DM would do it and said in his defense "It's canon that NPCs involve themselves in every adventure, so it's the settings fault that I'm forced to do it."?
Then I'd say that setting sucks by definition.  :lol
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Re: Reasons to dislike Eberron
« Reply #27 on: August 26, 2011, 05:28:53 PM »
But what if its not true and the DM is just making excuses?
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"Take less damage to avoid being killed."
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Or you could just be a cleric of an ideal. Like, physics and say that the domain choices reflect potential and kinetic energy.

 Plus, where other clerics say "For Pelor," "For Nerull," or "For Crom?" You get to say, "FOR SCIENCE!" *fanfare*

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I know your game, you just want a magical Amazon.com to knock off those good ol' honest magic shops run by polite, old wizards!
Use Iron Heart Surge on the sun. That'll teach him to use fluff as RAW.

Damn you! You totally ruined my build that was all about getting epic far shot early and throwing my enemies into the sun!
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Re: Reasons to dislike Eberron
« Reply #28 on: August 26, 2011, 05:30:18 PM »
What if it is true and the fanbois will not leave their bickering in the other thread they turned to crap?

Powertripping NPCs with options they arbitrarily have and no PC can ever access are PITA whether it's the DM or the setting author that came up with 'em.
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Re: Reasons to dislike Eberron
« Reply #29 on: August 26, 2011, 05:34:18 PM »
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What if it is true and the fanbois will not leave their bickering in the other thread they turned to crap?
and what it's really not true and the haters are just ignoring any proof in their willful ignorance?
am I somehow banned from this thread because I'm a fan of some other setting? No? Then STFU. I was trying to not be rude, but you leave me no choice. If you're okay with being hostile then I can be too.
« Last Edit: August 26, 2011, 05:36:52 PM by ImperatorK »
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Or you could just be a cleric of an ideal. Like, physics and say that the domain choices reflect potential and kinetic energy.

 Plus, where other clerics say "For Pelor," "For Nerull," or "For Crom?" You get to say, "FOR SCIENCE!" *fanfare*

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I know your game, you just want a magical Amazon.com to knock off those good ol' honest magic shops run by polite, old wizards!
Use Iron Heart Surge on the sun. That'll teach him to use fluff as RAW.

Damn you! You totally ruined my build that was all about getting epic far shot early and throwing my enemies into the sun!
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Re: Reasons to dislike Eberron
« Reply #30 on: August 26, 2011, 05:43:27 PM »
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What if it is true and the fanbois will not leave their bickering in the other thread they turned to crap?
and what it's really not true and the haters are just ignoring any proof in their willful ignorance?
am I somehow banned from this thread because I'm a fan of some other setting? No? Then STFU. I was trying to not be rude, but you leave me no choice. If you're okay with being hostile then I can be too.
Deliberately dragging baggage from another thread to cross-post an argument is "trying not to be rude"? Really?
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Re: Reasons to dislike Eberron
« Reply #31 on: August 26, 2011, 05:49:49 PM »
So I can't bring up points from other threads? Really? What my motivations have to do with anything? At this point you're just antagonizing me for some perceived ulterior motives. I can't even have a friendly discussion with RobbyPants because of your and Weenogs bullying.
« Last Edit: August 26, 2011, 05:53:40 PM by ImperatorK »
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"Take less damage to avoid being killed."
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[spoiler]
Quote from: Lateral
Or you could just be a cleric of an ideal. Like, physics and say that the domain choices reflect potential and kinetic energy.

 Plus, where other clerics say "For Pelor," "For Nerull," or "For Crom?" You get to say, "FOR SCIENCE!" *fanfare*

About me:
Quote from: dark_samuari
I know your game, you just want a magical Amazon.com to knock off those good ol' honest magic shops run by polite, old wizards!
Use Iron Heart Surge on the sun. That'll teach him to use fluff as RAW.

Damn you! You totally ruined my build that was all about getting epic far shot early and throwing my enemies into the sun!
[/spoiler]

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Re: Reasons to dislike Eberron
« Reply #32 on: August 26, 2011, 05:54:58 PM »
Actually, depends on the NPC role.
No DM lacks for powerful NPCs if such a role is warranted, adding a powerful NPC is a mid-game addition, depending on the sort. You can have a former adventurer rise to power(such things take under a year), a sealed evil awoken(such things only need someone foolish enough to unseal it or for a seal to unseal), arrive from another part of the world(planar in a low power setting, other continent if theres a Continent of Uberness or badass Underdark) or was created(someone makes a breakthrough that Should Not Be somewhere).
Say a Lord of Dust was awoken when the Mournland was created, and finally broke loose fully in Year -2 Circa Adventurers. Adventurers were involved when, 2 years after his release, he invades Aundaire with a legion of freed minions and takes half the country before they managed to rally a defense.

Removing an interfering NPC requires more work, as each such NPC has interests and territories they impact. The higher level they are, the wider the impact.
Say you need the Lolipope to not be present so that your PCs can wreck the power structure of Thrane. So she goes missing. Thrane is thus greatly weakened, and a theocratic uproar ensues.
This is a bad example mind you, as Jaela cannot leave her place and thus has minor impact.
So lets hypothesize, a ruler of Sharn who raised the city singlehandedly with one spell. His roles are to A) keep the city up by keeping the planar bleed JUST thin enough to allow levitating buildings but not thin enough for planars to rush in B)kick the ass of planars on the other side as they mess with the bleed C) rule Sharn D) annihilate things that threaten the structure of Sharn.
So now your PCs are going to do something like try to conquer the city. This would not work with Hypothetical Wizard Ruler, so hes going to suffer an accident. The angels on the other side has had enough and kidnapped him in force. Now the PCs are free to conquer the city....no wait, the city is about to fall, because the planar bleed is closing, the Houses, now that theres an opening for a leadership position fight for power, enemies of Sharn egg them all on, and drum up the forces to conquer the place, because they couldn't get close enough before said Wizard unleashes Slay Army spells.

See the difference?
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Re: Reasons to dislike Eberron
« Reply #33 on: August 26, 2011, 05:57:32 PM »
So I can't bring up points from other threads? Really? What my motivations have to do with anything? At this point you're just antagonizing me for some perceived ulterior motives. I can't even have a friendly discussion with RobbyPants because of your and Weenogs bullying.

You cannot troll incessantly, drag a thread you sent down in flames into another thread, and then play the victim card.  That's more of a tactic for stupid forums, GameFAQs for example.
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Re: Reasons to dislike Eberron
« Reply #34 on: August 26, 2011, 05:58:30 PM »
So I can't bring up points from other threads? Really? What my motivations have to do with anything? At this point you're just antagonizing me for some perceived ulterior motives. I can't even have a friendly discussion with RobbyPants because of your and Weenogs bullying.

You cannot troll incessantly, drag a thread you sent down in flames into another thread, and then play the victim card.  That's more of a tactic for stupid forums, GameFAQs for example.
Well... you can, but you can't expect not to be called out for it (on here).  :eh
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Re: Reasons to dislike Eberron
« Reply #35 on: August 26, 2011, 06:00:06 PM »
So I can't bring up points from other threads? Really? What my motivations have to do with anything? At this point you're just antagonizing me for some perceived ulterior motives. I can't even have a friendly discussion with RobbyPants because of your and Weenogs bullying.
Wow, if my responses in this thread qualify as "bullying", I'd hate to see what you consider some of the other forum regulars' typical responses.
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Re: Reasons to dislike Eberron
« Reply #36 on: August 26, 2011, 06:05:11 PM »
Actually, depends on the NPC role.
No DM lacks for powerful NPCs if such a role is warranted, adding a powerful NPC is a mid-game addition, depending on the sort. You can have a former adventurer rise to power(such things take under a year), a sealed evil awoken(such things only need someone foolish enough to unseal it or for a seal to unseal), arrive from another part of the world(planar in a low power setting, other continent if theres a Continent of Uberness or badass Underdark) or was created(someone makes a breakthrough that Should Not Be somewhere).
Say a Lord of Dust was awoken when the Mournland was created, and finally broke loose fully in Year -2 Circa Adventurers. Adventurers were involved when, 2 years after his release, he invades Aundaire with a legion of freed minions and takes half the country before they managed to rally a defense.

Removing an interfering NPC requires more work, as each such NPC has interests and territories they impact. The higher level they are, the wider the impact.
Say you need the Lolipope to not be present so that your PCs can wreck the power structure of Thrane. So she goes missing. Thrane is thus greatly weakened, and a theocratic uproar ensues.
This is a bad example mind you, as Jaela cannot leave her place and thus has minor impact.
So lets hypothesize, a ruler of Sharn who raised the city singlehandedly with one spell. His roles are to A) keep the city up by keeping the planar bleed JUST thin enough to allow levitating buildings but not thin enough for planars to rush in B)kick the ass of planars on the other side as they mess with the bleed C) rule Sharn D) annihilate things that threaten the structure of Sharn.
So now your PCs are going to do something like try to conquer the city. This would not work with Hypothetical Wizard Ruler, so hes going to suffer an accident. The angels on the other side has had enough and kidnapped him in force. Now the PCs are free to conquer the city....no wait, the city is about to fall, because the planar bleed is closing, the Houses, now that theres an opening for a leadership position fight for power, enemies of Sharn egg them all on, and drum up the forces to conquer the place, because they couldn't get close enough before said Wizard unleashes Slay Army spells.

See the difference?
And how do PCs feel not-insignificant in such a setting? O.o

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Wow, if my responses in this thread qualify as "bullying", I'd hate to see what you consider some of the other forum regulars' typical responses.
Okay, maybe I'm mistaken in your case. But you can see for yourself that Weenog is.

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You cannot troll incessantly, drag a thread you sent down in flames into another thread
Funny how you objectively call me a troll for bringing up arguments that are opposite to your arguments. In a debate.
Sticking your finger in ears, saying "La la la la la" and ignoring other peoples points, and then calling them trolls for bringing them up isn't really a cool strategy.
« Last Edit: August 26, 2011, 06:07:42 PM by ImperatorK »
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Quote from: Lateral
Or you could just be a cleric of an ideal. Like, physics and say that the domain choices reflect potential and kinetic energy.

 Plus, where other clerics say "For Pelor," "For Nerull," or "For Crom?" You get to say, "FOR SCIENCE!" *fanfare*

About me:
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I know your game, you just want a magical Amazon.com to knock off those good ol' honest magic shops run by polite, old wizards!
Use Iron Heart Surge on the sun. That'll teach him to use fluff as RAW.

Damn you! You totally ruined my build that was all about getting epic far shot early and throwing my enemies into the sun!
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Re: Reasons to dislike Eberron
« Reply #37 on: August 26, 2011, 06:07:45 PM »
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You cannot troll incessantly, drag a thread you sent down in flames into another thread
Funny how you objectively call me a troll for bringing up arguments that are opposite to your arguments. In a debate.

Do you just plain not understand that disagreeing loudly is not the same thing as arguing, and that a person might give up trying after you thoroughly demonstrate that you are completely unwilling to argue?
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Re: Reasons to dislike Eberron
« Reply #38 on: August 26, 2011, 06:10:00 PM »
I have been arguing. Maybe not perfectly, but I was. And when I asked for opinion on another board that is more versed in FR lore (and someone from that board registered here and gave much more better arguments, but they where ignored), it was said that it is not cool to ask for help.
Being in majority doesn't mean that you guys are automatically right. This isn't a democracy.
« Last Edit: August 26, 2011, 06:12:03 PM by ImperatorK »
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Or you could just be a cleric of an ideal. Like, physics and say that the domain choices reflect potential and kinetic energy.

 Plus, where other clerics say "For Pelor," "For Nerull," or "For Crom?" You get to say, "FOR SCIENCE!" *fanfare*

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I know your game, you just want a magical Amazon.com to knock off those good ol' honest magic shops run by polite, old wizards!
Use Iron Heart Surge on the sun. That'll teach him to use fluff as RAW.

Damn you! You totally ruined my build that was all about getting epic far shot early and throwing my enemies into the sun!
[/spoiler]

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Re: Reasons to dislike Eberron
« Reply #39 on: August 26, 2011, 06:10:23 PM »
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It depends on the point of view. I don't mind there being powerful influencing forces in the game, but I hate when the DM slaps his dick in people's face in the form of powerful NPCs. So, as a general rule, I consider it a good thing.
And what would you say if your DM would do it and said in his defense "It's canon that NPCs involve themselves in every adventure, so it's the settings fault that I'm forced to do it."?
but I'm just curious on RobbyPants's opinion.
For me, personally? Since we tend to play solo games, with enough of that, I'd tell him point blank that I don't like it, and if it continued too much, I'd simply retire the character. I've done it in the past back in 2E when we were fledgling DMs/players. He always loved having powerful NPCs bark orders at my PC, and I tended to lose interest in the game shortly thereafter.

Don't get me wrong: I don't mind playing subservient PCs, but that's when the PCs choose to fill that role. I don't like being forced into it when I'm running more of a loner/independent type of character. If the game starts to fuck with my concept of the PC too much, I lose interest quickly.
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Fluffy: Don't try it, Steve!
Steve: *charges*
Fluffy: *three critical strikes*
Steve: ****
Quote from: claypigeons
I don't even stat out commoners. Commoner = corpse that just isn't a zombie. Yet.
Quote from: CryoSilver
When I think "Old Testament Boots of Peace" I think of a paladin curb-stomping an orc and screaming "Your death brings peace to this land!"
Quote from: Orville_Oaksong
Buy a small country. Or Pelor. Both are good investments.
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