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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #80 on: August 29, 2011, 05:14:40 AM »
Since you're allowing dual progression PrCs, would you allow this homebrew one by Garryl that progresses Binder and Martial Adepts? I've been itching to try it out. I don't know that we'll ever make it that far, but it would give me something to plan for...

I haven't seen binders in play, but if they really are tier 2/3 range in power I feel like losing at least one or two of the +1 effective binder levels is appropriate based upon the other tob dual progression prcs (both made for tier 1/2 range gishes yes so maybe only losing 1 ebl at say level 1?).
That's fine. I think binders are low tier 3 without the online vestiges mostly because they have a lot of options they can choose from. I question whether they are truly tier 2 with them, though.

Anima Mage doesn't lose any binder levels, though. :P
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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #81 on: August 29, 2011, 05:45:57 AM »
Good point.  Go with it as is.

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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #82 on: August 29, 2011, 05:58:53 AM »
Good point.  Go with it as is.
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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #83 on: August 29, 2011, 07:58:20 AM »
You will be able to run across characters with these feats from time to time, what spells in particular are you interested in tracking down?  Cleric starting wealth works fine.

Nothing fancy. I'm mainly interested in stuff like AOE battlefield control, that divine casters don't have that much of. For example at level 1 I'd be interested in Color Spray. Later on, stuff like Cloud of Bewilderment, Stinking Cloud, Evard's Black Tentacles, Solid Fog etc.


Edit: Finished Char Sheet and Prayerbook. If you have anything to suggest, fee free to do so :)
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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #84 on: August 29, 2011, 10:37:24 AM »
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5.  So you are going to use feat rogue to get feats.  Where do you get sneak attack to take daring outlaw, or are you looking at the variant as an ACF that comes up every time you get Sneak Attack.  I see it as a choice at first level, you either take feats for Sneak Attack or stick with Sneak Attack for the rest of your career.  On the other hand I don't see it as totally broken to choose (and you could always dip SA fighter or swordsage or any other sneak attack class for entry).  I'm going to tentatively allow it unless other players have something to say about this.

My initial plan was to grab one level of the Avenger PrC (or some other PrC granting sneak attack), and one level of sneak attack Exoticist Hit-And-Run Fighter. So I get 2d6 Sneak attack and use them to get the feat. It's a cheesy reading, but it works RAW and I've never seen it as particularly overpowered, it's just a cool way of making the rogue a solid tier 3 class.

This is my character build, which is very much a WiP, since I still haven't settled on whether to do MoMF or Half-Minotaur approach yet.

If I start with MoMF, (Which I can only do if you allow me to choose feats before class even though that isn't RAW or find a race that grants the feats as bonus feats), I guess I'll be using druid starting gold?

For roleplaying reasons, I'll probably go with the MoMF build though, as I would like him to be from Midkemia, but just a guy who randomly discovered his powers, because some distant god is attempting to influence him. Then he kindda works as a sell-sword. EDIT: I'm ofc assuming that you aren't allowing the divine minion the silly reading of his wild shape were he pretty much can heal as a free action (since he changes form as a free action, at will, and would technically regain HP from it, I just assume that wild minions don't regain HP when wildshaping)

MoMF will use druid starting gold.  The free action wild shape we can simplify by making it a swift action wild shape, that way I don't have to pay attention to your offensive form at the beginning of your turn defensive form at the end situation.  We could also then say you can benefit from the wild shape healing 4/day (since that is the number of wild shapes an 11th level druid has).  Swift action probably fits better with later supplements when I feel like free actions became more defined to swift actions/immediate actions.  The class feature of MoMF itself actually slows down your wild shaping as written.

Also polymorph/shapechange/wildshape does not give spellcasting/sla's ever.

If you want to enter at first for MoMF you can take a flaw and be a human divine minion or take two flaws to get the two feats that you need to enter MoMF.  I will go with feats gained from levels happen after you pick your class.

Edit:  Also Mixster I think you will find that the stat array I gave out is a bit better than the 32 point buy it looks like you are using if that changes anything in your character choice.

That sounds awesome. I changed my stats to reflect that array and my skills.

(also by RAW the MoMF doesn't nerf the Fast Wild Shape of the divine minion. It says you can use your wild shape as a move action, not that you must).
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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #85 on: August 29, 2011, 02:18:40 PM »
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5.  So you are going to use feat rogue to get feats.  Where do you get sneak attack to take daring outlaw, or are you looking at the variant as an ACF that comes up every time you get Sneak Attack.  I see it as a choice at first level, you either take feats for Sneak Attack or stick with Sneak Attack for the rest of your career.  On the other hand I don't see it as totally broken to choose (and you could always dip SA fighter or swordsage or any other sneak attack class for entry).  I'm going to tentatively allow it unless other players have something to say about this.

My initial plan was to grab one level of the Avenger PrC (or some other PrC granting sneak attack), and one level of sneak attack Exoticist Hit-And-Run Fighter. So I get 2d6 Sneak attack and use them to get the feat. It's a cheesy reading, but it works RAW and I've never seen it as particularly overpowered, it's just a cool way of making the rogue a solid tier 3 class.

This is my character build, which is very much a WiP, since I still haven't settled on whether to do MoMF or Half-Minotaur approach yet.

If I start with MoMF, (Which I can only do if you allow me to choose feats before class even though that isn't RAW or find a race that grants the feats as bonus feats), I guess I'll be using druid starting gold?

For roleplaying reasons, I'll probably go with the MoMF build though, as I would like him to be from Midkemia, but just a guy who randomly discovered his powers, because some distant god is attempting to influence him. Then he kindda works as a sell-sword. EDIT: I'm ofc assuming that you aren't allowing the divine minion the silly reading of his wild shape were he pretty much can heal as a free action (since he changes form as a free action, at will, and would technically regain HP from it, I just assume that wild minions don't regain HP when wildshaping)

MoMF will use druid starting gold.  The free action wild shape we can simplify by making it a swift action wild shape, that way I don't have to pay attention to your offensive form at the beginning of your turn defensive form at the end situation.  We could also then say you can benefit from the wild shape healing 4/day (since that is the number of wild shapes an 11th level druid has).  Swift action probably fits better with later supplements when I feel like free actions became more defined to swift actions/immediate actions.  The class feature of MoMF itself actually slows down your wild shaping as written.

Also polymorph/shapechange/wildshape does not give spellcasting/sla's ever.

If you want to enter at first for MoMF you can take a flaw and be a human divine minion or take two flaws to get the two feats that you need to enter MoMF.  I will go with feats gained from levels happen after you pick your class.

Edit:  Also Mixster I think you will find that the stat array I gave out is a bit better than the 32 point buy it looks like you are using if that changes anything in your character choice.

That sounds awesome. I changed my stats to reflect that array and my skills.

(also by RAW the MoMF doesn't nerf the Fast Wild Shape of the divine minion. It says you can use your wild shape as a move action, not that you must).

Sorry, I didn't mean it nerfs it, just that the PRC you are taking gives a benefit that would actually make it slower if you had to use it.

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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #86 on: August 29, 2011, 02:52:29 PM »
@vilenatas:  I'll get you a few possible build stubs PMed to you here shortly regarding my possible Beguiler Swiftblade.

Also regarding the LA penalty and Buy Off...   Does the Penalty function seperately from the normal function of LA Buy Off.  That is the way I'm understanding it but I was not sure. 
ie: +1LA character starts with the -1 Penalty.  He levels and the penalty goes away.  He still has his LA however which he can buy off at 3rd level normally.

@Others: Someone else mentioned perhaps wanting to do a Swifthunter.  Go right ahead, I was the one that mentioned it earlier.  

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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #87 on: August 29, 2011, 04:38:48 PM »
Ok... Here's my character sheet. I'm not done yet, but I've already decided most of the stuff i needed.


http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=325072

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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #88 on: August 29, 2011, 04:41:35 PM »
Ok... Here's my character sheet. I'm not done yet, but I've already decided most of the stuff i needed.


http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=325072

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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #89 on: August 29, 2011, 06:31:40 PM »
By the way, since Alertness (a requirement for my class) is now either, simply better (by adding +4) or simply worse than skill focus (perception), what do you say to just changing it to that?

EDIT: Also, why is it that I, once again, find that due to Kobold Endurance, the most optimised race for this class is Kobold, AGAIN? Why is the most optimised race always kobold?

(I'm looking at race because I realised Phaedrus asked us to get darkvision)
« Last Edit: August 29, 2011, 06:46:02 PM by Mixster »
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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #90 on: August 29, 2011, 06:56:09 PM »
By the way, since Alertness (a requirement for my class) is now either, simply better (by adding +4) or simply worse than skill focus (perception), what do you say to just changing it to that?

EDIT: Also, why is it that I, once again, find that due to Kobold Endurance, the most optimised race for this class is Kobold, AGAIN? Why is the most optimised race always kobold?

(I'm looking at race because I realised Phaedrus asked us to get darkvision)

Because Kobolds rule, that's why.


Ok... Here's my character sheet. I'm not done yet, but I've already decided most of the stuff i needed.


http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=325072

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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #91 on: August 29, 2011, 07:07:45 PM »
Ok... Here's my character sheet. I'm not done yet, but I've already decided most of the stuff i needed.


http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=325072

 :D

You havn't given permission to view the sheet. :P

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Seems we are both desert kobolds, wanna write a common background? My character probably lived in some ruins in the desert were he found a portal, from where he got his powers. We could technically be twins, since I'm considering also adding on Dragonwrought. From day to day I can look like your familiar in the shape of an Ibis if you want to.

@Vilenatas: By the way, if I change into some form, equip an item and then wildshape again, if I go back to the form were I equipped the item, is it then still equipped?
So I could for example, during the morning turn into a flind gnoll, pick up a guisarme, and then turn into an Ibis, when combat comes, I'd use a move action to fly into position, then a Swift Action to turn into the gnoll again, and a standard action to attack, would this be okay with you?
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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #92 on: August 29, 2011, 07:13:30 PM »
Ok... Here's my character sheet. I'm not done yet, but I've already decided most of the stuff i needed.


http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=325072

 :D

You havn't given permission to view the sheet. :P

First time using Myth-Weavers sheets. Should be fixed now.




Seems we are both desert kobolds, wanna write a common background? My character probably lived in some ruins in the desert were he found a portal, from where he got his powers. We could technically be twins, since I'm considering also adding on Dragonwrought.

That'd be nice!

If the DM has nothing against it, we could do that.
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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #93 on: August 29, 2011, 07:16:05 PM »
Out of curiosity if I got access to a duel progression class via feats (aka saphire herophant) would you allow me effectivly get levels in a meldshapeing class even though I didn't have one to start with. I'm just thinking about my last 5 levels and I do want 9th level spells.

Seems we are both desert kobolds, wanna write a common background? My character probably lived in some ruins in the desert were he found a portal, from where he got his powers. We could technically be twins, since I'm considering also adding on Dragonwrought. From day to day I can look like your familiar in the shape of an Ibis if you want to.

That sounds gouda. :deadpan
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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #94 on: August 29, 2011, 07:19:45 PM »
Seems we are both desert kobolds, wanna write a common background? My character probably lived in some ruins in the desert were he found a portal, from where he got his powers. We could technically be twins, since I'm considering also adding on Dragonwrought. From day to day I can look like your familiar in the shape of an Ibis if you want to.
That's interesting... because I'm playing a desert dwarf (crusader), which has racial enmity vs. reptilian humanoids and dragons...  :lol I think we should definitely work this all into a shared backstory somehow...
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A couple of water benders, a dike, a flaming arrow, and a few barrels of blasting jelly?

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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #95 on: August 29, 2011, 07:35:07 PM »
The Tenative Party so far....
Archivist ------------ Elf -------------- LordofBlades
DFA//Totemist ------- Desert Kobold --- DrHorrible
MoMF//Divine Minion - Desert Kobold --- Mixter
Cursader//Spellthief-- Desert Dwarf ---- PhaedrusXY
Cleric --------------- Human ---------- mthor ------- Going into RKV
Melee Telling Blow ----?????------------ Flay   ------- Some sort of Crit Monkey
Beguiler//Monk -------Catfolk ---------- Hallack ------Going into Swiftblade.  VERY much tentative pending DM discussion
Illusionist ----------- Gnome ----------- Shadowviper - Going SCM

That is the VERY tenative party so far in case that helps everyone.  I know it helps me wrap my head around it all.
Look at the built in RP fun with the Gnome/Dwarf vs Kobolds hehe

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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #96 on: August 29, 2011, 07:37:27 PM »
The other side of my build will be Spellthief, and I'll also be multiclassing with Binder on the Crusader side, and maybe Swordsage.
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« Reply #97 on: August 29, 2011, 07:41:27 PM »
@ Dr. Horrible unless I'm missing something your morning star should have 1d6 damage instead of 1d8.
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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #98 on: August 29, 2011, 07:44:06 PM »
Seems we are both desert kobolds, wanna write a common background? My character probably lived in some ruins in the desert were he found a portal, from where he got his powers. We could technically be twins, since I'm considering also adding on Dragonwrought. From day to day I can look like your familiar in the shape of an Ibis if you want to.
That's interesting... because I'm playing a desert dwarf (crusader), which has racial enmity vs. reptilian humanoids and dragons...  :lol I think we should definitely work this all into a shared backstory somehow...

Since my character loves changing shape, he could actually have met you as a dwarf and convinced you that the other kobold isn't as bad as he seems. Then turned into a kobold.  :lmao
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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #99 on: August 29, 2011, 07:56:34 PM »
Seems we are both desert kobolds, wanna write a common background? My character probably lived in some ruins in the desert were he found a portal, from where he got his powers. We could technically be twins, since I'm considering also adding on Dragonwrought. From day to day I can look like your familiar in the shape of an Ibis if you want to.
That's interesting... because I'm playing a desert dwarf (crusader), which has racial enmity vs. reptilian humanoids and dragons...  :lol I think we should definitely work this all into a shared backstory somehow...

Since my character loves changing shape, he could actually have met you as a dwarf and convinced you that the other kobold isn't as bad as he seems. Then turned into a kobold.  :lmao
I'm not sure that's going to be a good long-term solution to their racial difficulties... although my character does have a 4 wisdom, so I'm sure you guys could convince him of almost anything.  :lol
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A couple of water benders, a dike, a flaming arrow, and a few barrels of blasting jelly?

Sounds like the makings of a gay porn film.
...thanks
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