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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #40 on: August 26, 2011, 05:05:27 AM »
All right I my PC is known as Arthur Blackdragon. I posted it like this so if anyone wants to they can see how it is currently comeing along they can check. I have 3 questions though and after that I should be able to leave our good DM in peace.
1: Can I persist Touch spells?
2: Can I persist cloud of knives Phb2 (It's range is personal but it give you 1 ranged attack per round as a free action)
3: Starting wealth is by WBL?
Also I am assuming that skills like stealth will straight up replace their conterparts for prerequisits and such.

Notes: Still need to work on skills, possesions and such.
skills: cross class max Stealth and Intimidate
max Knowledge:religion
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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #41 on: August 26, 2011, 05:25:12 AM »
All right I my PC is known as Arthur Blackdragon. I posted it like this so if anyone wants to they can see how it is currently comeing along they can check. I have 3 questions though and after that I should be able to leave our good DM in peace.
1: Can I persist Touch spells?
2: Can I persist cloud of knives Phb2 (It's range is personal but it give you 1 ranged attack per round as a free action)
3: Starting wealth is by WBL?
Also I am assuming that skills like stealth will straight up replace their conterparts for prerequisits and such.

Notes: Still need to work on skills, possesions and such.
skills: cross class max Stealth and Intimidate
max Knowledge:religion

1.  I use fixed ranged as meaning spells like prayer, but not touch spells, so no to persisting touch spells.
2.  Yes.
3.  Starting wealth is maximum for your chosen class at 1st level.
Yes, skills replace their counterparts for pre-reqs.

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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #42 on: August 26, 2011, 05:59:05 AM »
Thanks
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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #43 on: August 26, 2011, 07:39:51 AM »
Currently interested people are (and correct me if I'm wrong):
ShadowViper
PhaedrusXY
LordBlades
DrHorrible
Mixster
Flay Crimsonwind
mthor
Hallack (I'm guessing)
Well, I was interested too, but seeing the sudden change in powerlevel, I'm backing out. Thanks though.

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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #44 on: August 26, 2011, 08:54:08 AM »
ATM I'm pretty certain Ill play one of the following(both summoning focused):

-druid/moonspeaker
-wizard or archivist (undecided yet)/malconvoker

I'd rather play the druid, but we have no arcanist and I don't mind playing one (archivist can double as an arcanist easily via domains, Southern Magician and Alternate Spell Source).

Couple of questions:

-Do you allow Dragon material? Namely Easy Metamagic, which I want to use in conjunction with Rapid Spell for standard action summons on Druid/Archivist (wizard can already get that via ACF)
-If I use Ashbound on the druid, do you mind if I refluff it? I like the feat, and have no problem for it to come with some attached fluff but 'my summons are stronger because I hate arcane casters' is just stupid IMO.
-Are you OK with Greenbound Summoning and/or Rahsemi elemental Summoning? If yes, which Greenbound variant do you prefer: the printed one, or the one intended by the author  (+2 metamagic)?
-A class that has only part of the skills that got condensed into one as class skills, does it get the condensed skill as class skills?
-At which levels are exactly feats gained? Do we get the normal progression (1,3,6,9 etc) and then one extra feat at levels 1,3,5,7 etc?
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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #45 on: August 26, 2011, 11:49:38 AM »
At the moment my choice hangs between the following:

- Kobold Warlock
- Kobold Dragonfire Adept
- Kobold Bard
- Water Orc Barbarian//Totemist


What would you say is the one we need the most at the moment?


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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #46 on: August 26, 2011, 12:19:32 PM »
At the moment my choice hangs between the following:

- Kobold Warlock
- Kobold Dragonfire Adept
- Kobold Bard
- Water Orc Barbarian//Totemist


What would you say is the one we need the most at the moment?




I'd say a DFI bard would be most beneficial as so far we have 2 melee and 1 summoner (me).

PS: @PhaedrusXY: if everyone agrees, I'm up for the everyone gets darkivision idea.
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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #47 on: August 26, 2011, 01:48:33 PM »
Currently interested people are (and correct me if I'm wrong):
ShadowViper
PhaedrusXY
LordBlades
DrHorrible
Mixster
Flay Crimsonwind
mthor
Hallack (I'm guessing)
Well, I was interested too, but seeing the sudden change in powerlevel, I'm backing out. Thanks though.

Sorry.  I read that as you having already decided to drop it.

Feats are gained at:  1st, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 7th, 9th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 15th, 17th, 18th and 19th (I missed 13th the first time).
Easy Metamagic is fine.  Dragon material is not blanket allowed, but a lot of it is, so just ask.
Greenbound is the +2 metamagic.
Ashbound can be refluffed.
If your class has only one of the class skills that were condensed you get the new class skill.  So if you only had listen before, you now get perception.

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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #48 on: August 26, 2011, 02:13:47 PM »
Thanks for the answer. So we're not getting two feats at the levels where normal feat progression overlaps with your 'every odd level' progression? (that is 1, 3, 9 and 15), correct?



So, what do you guys think we need more? Driud, archivist or wizard?

@vilenatas: You have a problem with archivists gaining normally arcane spells via Southern Magician and/or Alternate Spell Source?
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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #49 on: August 26, 2011, 02:49:37 PM »
Ehm... Would it be okay then if i go for a Bard//DFA? Or is it too much?

It wouldn't be a problem going Bard solo.


Thanks for the answer. So we're not getting two feats at the levels where normal feat progression overlaps with your 'every odd level' progression? (that is 1, 3, 9 and 15), correct?



So, what do you guys think we need more? Driud, archivist or wizard?

@vilenatas: You have a problem with archivists gaining normally arcane spells via Southern Magician and/or Alternate Spell Source?

I don't know the adventure, but sounds like a long dungeon crawl, so maybe the environment won't be that Druid friendly. That said, they're 3 top tier spellcasting options so, power speaking, there's no wrong choice.

Just go for the one that you like the most, I guess.

At least IMO.
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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #50 on: August 26, 2011, 02:56:18 PM »
Ehm... Would it be okay then if i go for a Bard//DFA? Or is it too much?

It wouldn't be a problem going Bard solo.

AFAIK(if I understood Vilenatas's rules right) since they're both tier 3 classes without 9th level spells you can gestalt Bard/DFA unless you plan on going Sublime Chord.




I don't know the adventure, but sounds like a long dungeon crawl, so maybe the environment won't be that Druid friendly. That said, they're 3 top tier spellcasting options so, power speaking, there's no wrong choice.

Just go for the one that you like the most, I guess.

At least IMO.


I like all 3 of them, but you are right. I've only played the computer RPG a long time ago, but IIRC post of it is a long dungeon crawl in a temple. So yeah, many druids spells/abilities will go unused. Then archivist or wizard(focused specialist conjurer) is the better option probably.

Another question for Vilenatas: what's the equivalent of Bahamut in Midkemia, especially for the purpose of creating Dragonborn?
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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #51 on: August 26, 2011, 03:04:51 PM »
Ehm... Would it be okay then if i go for a Bard//DFA? Or is it too much?

It wouldn't be a problem going Bard solo.

AFAIK(if I understood Vilenatas's rules right) since they're both tier 3 classes without 9th level spells you can gestalt Bard/DFA unless you plan on going Sublime Chord.
As I understood it, only one of them can be Tier 3. The other has to be 4 or lower.
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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #52 on: August 26, 2011, 03:31:15 PM »
Anyone knows where's the damn starting wealth for archivist?  :blush Ran through the book like 3 times and can't find it.

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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #53 on: August 26, 2011, 03:54:11 PM »
Ehm... Would it be okay then if i go for a Bard//DFA? Or is it too much?

It wouldn't be a problem going Bard solo.

AFAIK(if I understood Vilenatas's rules right) since they're both tier 3 classes without 9th level spells you can gestalt Bard/DFA unless you plan on going Sublime Chord.
As I understood it, only one of them can be Tier 3. The other has to be 4 or lower.

I guess I could go for a Bard//Warlock, then.

Weighting my options. It's between that and Kobold Dragonfire Adept.
« Last Edit: August 26, 2011, 04:26:43 PM by DrHorrible »
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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #54 on: August 26, 2011, 04:43:32 PM »
Yay, I'll put together a character. :)

Let me go get an idea for what others are playing.

I'm considering a Beguiler or maybe even and Archer (swifthunter build) among others.  Swiftblade always appeals to me as well hehe.

Let's see.  Beguiler tier 3 but with 9's so no Gestalt there as per the posted rules correct?


Edit: Okay, if needed I'm willing to play more of a meleer as well.  

I'm generally okay with and can fun with various rolls if you guys think there is any particulars that are needed.  

Edit #2: Taking prestige classes that would cost enough Caster Levels to deny 9's.  Would doing such allow for gestalting?  I figure not but worth checking.
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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #55 on: August 26, 2011, 06:06:13 PM »
Another question for Vilenatas: what's the equivalent of Bahamut in Midkemia, especially for the purpose of creating Dragonborn?
He said all deitys are available. Thus the Big B's replacement would be....... Bahamut.


Edit: Okay, if needed I'm willing to play more of a meleer as well. 
A Swiftblade can be a pretty good meleer just as its face. Since we are getting so many feats you could go jade phoneix mage afterward or even just go for shadow blade if you want to be conpletely dex focused to avoid MAD. so what I guess I am saying is don't mess with you build for us =).
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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #56 on: August 27, 2011, 12:09:14 AM »
I'm not going to be around a computer much this weekend but will try to check in sometime to see about the various questions posted and what other players are settling upon.  

Cheers

Edit: I'm really looking at a Beguiler based Swiftblade.  Yeah, not the most powerful route but I think I'll end up with some fun interesting fluff around the base. 

I've some specific questions though.  :)

1) If I'm going Beguiler/Swiftblade and actually taking the CL hits can I gestalt into Tier 5 classes like Monk or Swashbuckler?  Such gestalt would be for BAB and perhaps some bonus Feat synergies.

2) Can Beguiler get the same 0 level treatment for the 3,5,7,9, etc.. levels as does sorcerer?

3) Am I allowed to use Versitile Spellcaster + Hieghten Trick to get early?  If so I could enter Swiftblade as Early as 5th level assuming I am allowed to Gestalt Tier 5 classes for the BaB.

I'm looking to do up a Catfolk Beguiler/swiftblade based on the above though I admit a Whisper gnome has crossed my mind as well.  I'm looking to make a sodid powerful (and hopefully flavorful) character without going crazy. 

Cheers.
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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #57 on: August 27, 2011, 08:05:35 AM »
And can I suggest that we all have darkvision, so we don't have to carry a light source and make ourselves a big target?  :P
Got a character build, haven't been home more than four hours in the past few days, only on now to post in my games. I'll post the charrie sometime Sunday, saturday only if I'm lucky.

And I'll work on giving it Darkvision, ass!  :fu

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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #58 on: August 27, 2011, 08:22:37 AM »
Why not just use Pathfinder feat progression and skills? I think everyone is more used to them and they're more easily remembered rather than having to reference a house-rule sheet all the time. Just a suggestion.

And still no further on character ideas.

Edit: And what about using Pathfinder classes?
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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #59 on: August 27, 2011, 09:50:04 AM »


Edit: And what about using Pathfinder classes?

You mean using the new classes in Pathfinder in addition to everything in 3.5, or also use the Pathfinder conversion of the classes that exist in both systems ?
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