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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2011, 04:33:44 AM »
I'm thinking of a non-magic character, a changeling gestalted Rogue/Ranger // ???, focusing as an assassin who uses telling blow to deadly effect. The rogue side would have the changeling sub levels, and I'm still trying to nail down my exact build for that side.

I could have sworn there was a ranger/rogue gestalt feat, like swift hunter..... am I hallucinating? If I am, could one be homebrewed, replacing the skirmish prereq and progression with sneak attack? I'm sure there is one though...

Debating hard for the second side... just need to find a < tier 3 class that fits the roguish warrior thing. But that's the idea so far. Very skilled, very well trained warrior/striker. I might reforge my namesake character with the other side being a glaivelock of some sort........
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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2011, 05:47:55 AM »
If you are going to gestalt then you can use 1 tier 3 class as long as it doesn't end up getting 9's.  So you could have a tob class or factotum or something like that on the other side as well.

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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #22 on: August 25, 2011, 06:45:21 AM »
If you are going to gestalt then you can use 1 tier 3 class as long as it doesn't end up getting 9's.  So you could have a tob class or factotum or something like that on the other side as well.

Like the Partial Gestalt system from the Tier Systems thread?
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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #23 on: August 25, 2011, 07:33:06 AM »
I for one will only really be doing basic optimization, certainly nothing silly like a 5+ class build with multiple 1 to 3 levels dips.
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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #24 on: August 25, 2011, 08:18:40 AM »
I for one will only really be doing basic optimization, certainly nothing silly like a 5+ class build with multiple 1 to 3 levels dips.
Same here. Once I know what theme each side will have, I'm sticking to it. Simplicity is nice.

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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #25 on: August 25, 2011, 08:53:42 AM »
So until now we have :

-DMM RKV (mthor)
-Rogue/Ranger gestalt (Flay Crimsonwind)
-rest undecided
Correct?


I'd like to do any of the following:

-Dreamsight shifter druid/moonspeaker (primary divine caster)
-Warblade/bard/sublime chord (party face and secondary arcane)
-Kobold Cloistered Cleric (skill monkey and primary divine caster)

If any of the above are too powerful or if another role needs filling, I have absolutely no problem with doing that.

What do you guys think?

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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #26 on: August 25, 2011, 09:25:56 AM »
I for one will only really be doing basic optimization, certainly nothing silly like a 5+ class build with multiple 1 to 3 levels dips.
Same here. Once I know what theme each side will have, I'm sticking to it. Simplicity is nice.
Same goes for me.

I'd like to go for either a Factotum* or a Dragonfire Bard.


*No IF, that book is too exotic to my taste
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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #27 on: August 25, 2011, 10:13:45 AM »
Having JUST learned what Temple of Elemental Evil is, I'd like to clear up whether or not we're similarly expected to be of similar moral ground. Because this character miiiiiiiight need all his skills to fit in with a LG group...

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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #28 on: August 25, 2011, 10:25:04 AM »
Still interested in Warblade, Factotum, Classlist caster or Feat Rogue/Swashbuckler build that abuses the wording on Daring outlaw to become viable.

My Factotum will probably be using IF if allowed, I've never seen that as particularly overpowered anyway. He will probably be going with a samurai theme.

Alternatively, I'm thinking of making a Divine Minion into Master of Many Forms. A wildshaping character so to speak. This could be regarded as rather high tier 3 though. Or even an Exotic Weapon Master with a Large Kusari-Gama, Uncanny Blow and Trip attack, if dragon magazine is allowed he'll probably start as an exoticist fighter.

So still pretty much up for filling whatever party role is needed. Depending on the power level required.
Monks are pretty much the best designed class ever.

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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #29 on: August 25, 2011, 10:43:35 AM »
I've never played gestalt before and seeing as there's already enough players, I'm backing out.

Have a good one guys!

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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #30 on: August 25, 2011, 12:39:18 PM »
I'm a little uneasy with Gesalt so I might be going with one of the top three or a sorcerer.
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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #31 on: August 25, 2011, 01:29:23 PM »
I've never played gestalt before and seeing as there's already enough players, I'm backing out.

Have a good one guys!

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Not so fast! Flay's words are being misinterpreted. He never said anything about going gestalt, he was just talking about feats like Swift Hunter, Daring Outlaw etc. that give some gestaltish features, stacking one class ability from both of the assigned classes. Daring Outlaw, Swift Hunter and Devoted Performer are examples of these feats.

I'd be just as disinterested in going gestalt as you.
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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #32 on: August 25, 2011, 01:46:40 PM »
I've never played gestalt before and seeing as there's already enough players, I'm backing out.

Have a good one guys!

 :)
Not so fast! Flay's words are being misinterpreted. He never said anything about going gestalt, he was just talking about feats like Swift Hunter, Daring Outlaw etc. that give some gestaltish features, stacking one class ability from both of the assigned classes. Daring Outlaw, Swift Hunter and Devoted Performer are examples of these feats.

I'd be just as disinterested in going gestalt as you.

Uh, looks like I misunderstood that part of the rules.   :lmao

I guess I'll wait to see what the others want to play and then, if we're not too many PCs, I'll go for the missing option in the party.

My favourite option at the moment would be Kobold Rogue -> Rogue/Wizard -> Rogue/Wizard/Unseen Seer, but there's really a lot of PCs I'd like to try so...

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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #33 on: August 25, 2011, 01:59:51 PM »
You don't have to gestalt.  You can if you are not going to play a caster that gets access to level 9 spells.  I'm trying to give players who want to play a non-caster the ability to move up a tier by grabbing another classes abilities to add versatility.  I know that many of you don't need this to optimize well, but it should be easier to optimize your themes.

Something basic like bard on one side and paladin on the other is possible(to keep things simple), but if you plan to use sublime chord to cap the character would not be able to gestalt at all.

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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #34 on: August 25, 2011, 02:36:39 PM »
I'll probably go binder//martial adept mash (starting out with crusader), as I've been working on another character like that and am not sure if I'll even get to play it. So I'll be able to cover scouting (via Malphus' bird) and a bit of healing (crusader).

Edit: Hmm... binder is rated as tier 2 with online vestiges and tier 3 without. Does that mean I can't gestalt binder and a martial adept? Even without online vestige access? I'll probably pick either crusader or binder and gestalt it with warlock or rogue, then.

Edit2: This is a bit unclear:
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Feats are gained at every odd level as well as those gained on even levels from normal progression.
What do you mean every even level? Is that the PF progression or something? Feats are normally gained at levels divisible by 3, plus 1st.

Edit 3: What tier would you rate a psychic rogue at? Could I gestalt that with a Tier 3?

And is Trapfinding unchanged? Or can anyone with a high enough Perception check find traps?
« Last Edit: August 25, 2011, 06:19:32 PM by PhaedrusXY »
[spoiler]
A couple of water benders, a dike, a flaming arrow, and a few barrels of blasting jelly?

Sounds like the makings of a gay porn film.
...thanks
[/spoiler]

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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #35 on: August 25, 2011, 03:04:26 PM »
Btw, are flaws/traits allowed?

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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #36 on: August 25, 2011, 04:08:05 PM »
Looks like you have plenty of interest already but have to admit that this looks very promising in the fun department.  Reading the rules you certainly are encouraging capable characters and make it easy to build just about any theme a player would want.  Kudos.
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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #37 on: August 25, 2011, 10:50:48 PM »
Is there another Tier system resource? The "main" thread by JaronK only gave a few examples for each tier. Yet some have talked like there is a complete list, or am I just mis-reading meaning and making assumptions?  ???
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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #38 on: August 26, 2011, 02:12:38 AM »
Psychic rogue looks essentially like a psychic warrior but as a rogue.  Psychic warrior is tier 3, but if you feel strongly that the rogue is a tier below the warrior I will listen to arguments.

Feats are gained at 1st, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 7th, 9th, 11th, 12th, 15th, 17th, 18th and 19th.

I'm keeping trapfinding the same.


Flaws and traits are aloud.  Try to make them something that you can rp as you are already getting 5 extra feats to work with.

Currently interested people are (and correct me if I'm wrong):
ShadowViper
PhaedrusXY
LordBlades
DrHorrible
Mixster
Flay Crimsonwind
mthor
Hallack (I'm guessing)

The tier system I'm looking at is the thread by JaronK, but it doesn't have all classes, so if you have a question about tier just post the class and the tier you are thinking and we can decide from there.

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Re: Interest Check. Temple of Elemental Evil
« Reply #39 on: August 26, 2011, 02:35:18 AM »
My Character (WIP)

[spoiler]Steelhead Trapspringer

desert dwarf mineral warrior spellthief 1//crusader 1
Feats: Combat Reflexes, Hidden Talent (haven't chosen what power yet), 1 flaw

Stance: Martial Spirit

Manuevers:
Crusader's Strike (DS1, heal ally for 1d6+IL)
Vanguard Strike (DS1, no prereq, std, if strike hits allies gain +4 (unnamed) to attack target till next turn)
Leading the Attack (WR1, if strike hits allies gain +4 morale to attack target till next turn)
Bolstering Voice (DS1 allies gain +2 to will, +4 vs. fear)
Charging Minotaur (SD1 charging bull rush ignores AoOs)

Stats
Str 22 (18+2tweak+2template)
Dex 13 (15-2race)
Con 23 (17+2race+4template)
Int 11 (13-2template)
Wis 4 (8-2template-2tweak) (no Allips, please! :P )
Cha 14 (16-2template)


Skills: Max out Thievery, Acrobatics, Athletics, Stealth, Perception, not sure of others yet

Other: UMD (level + Cha), DR 8/adamantine, burrow speed 10', +3 NA, 1x day smite (+Con to hit), Earth subtype, +1d6 SA, Steal Spell (1st), Trapfinding, +2 Fort and Will saves[/spoiler]

And can I suggest that we all have darkvision, so we don't have to carry a light source and make ourselves a big target?  :P

V2

[spoiler]Steelhead Trapspringer

desert dwarf mineral warrior spellthief 1//binder 1
Feats: Improved Binding, Hidden Talent (haven't chosen what power yet), 1 flaw

Vestige bound most of the time: Dahlver Nar

Stats
Str 22 (18+2tweak+2template)
Dex 13 (15-2race)
Con 23 (17+2race+4template)
Int 12 (16-2template-2tweak)
Wis 6 (8-2template)
Cha 11 (13-2template)

Skills: Max out Thievery, Acrobatics, Athletics, Stealth, Perception, not sure of others yet

Other: UMD (level + Dex), DR 8/adamantine, burrow speed 10', +3 NA, 1x day smite (+Con to hit), Earth subtype, +1d6 SA, Steal Spell (1st), Trapfinding, +2 Fort and Will saves

Buy a bunch of dogs, put shield self on one when out of combat. Change to enemy in combat. +6 NA is nice, and I can use the dogs to set off traps, too, if necessary.

Cons: No healing, lose crusader goodies like Delayed Damage pool, etc. I think I'll wait and take binder at 2nd...[/spoiler]
« Last Edit: August 29, 2011, 06:32:59 PM by PhaedrusXY »
[spoiler]
A couple of water benders, a dike, a flaming arrow, and a few barrels of blasting jelly?

Sounds like the makings of a gay porn film.
...thanks
[/spoiler]