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Ideas for stating glen cook's: 10 who were taken
« on: August 18, 2011, 04:51:18 PM »
Hey the title says it all I was just curious what you thought the classes for the 10 who were taken would be.I just recently got the ToB and when I was looking through it I came upon the jade phoenix mage. The variant the ebon phoenix mage just caught my eye and in the end i was up till 2 or 3 in the morning running thought books for a Shapeshifter build. Basically it used soulcatcher from MoI and the feats that allow you to do lower meta-magic costs to get you a persisted shapechange at the 19th level and from there I just ran with it. I'll post it later if I get a good response from here. If you haven't read the books... then you should. essentially the ten who were taken are 10 sorcerer-kings who a BBEG captured and killed/raised until they were crazy,evil and willing to do his bidding. They are awesome.


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Re: Ideas for stating glen cook's: 10 who were taken
« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2011, 05:51:11 AM »
Lemme see if I remember too much of these books.  As I recall, (up to I think the Books of the South/return of the Black Company) we didn't see too much of the sorcerors doing anything, but I'm not sure if they've got as much power as a D&D wizard.  Let's see...

Limper: Warmage/Incantatrix/War Mage (Age of Mortals).  All he ever did was throw around giant nuke spells.  Admittedly, this is considered a bigger feat in the setting than, say, illusions, but nuke spells suck.

Shapeshifter: Your build probably works fine, persisted shapechange.  If we cared enough we could teach him the polymorph subschool too, but Shapechange is fine.

Soulcatcher: No frikkin idea, we haven't seen her actually throw down with magic to my knowledge.


I'd represent the process of Taking with the Necrotic Cyst feat line, or maybe the Programmed Amnesia spell (Mindrape is too fast, and the spell the Lady used took a lil bit).  Other than this there doesn't seem to be any enchantment.  Note also none of them get fly spells.

Honestly, the concept of the Taken were cool but they didn't get enough screen time for us to do this.

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Re: Ideas for stating glen cook's: 10 who were taken
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2011, 04:21:45 PM »
Tell me about it. I had a huge man crush on shapeshifter after he took down that renegade Mage by shapeshifting under him. I actually thought soulcatcher would be a enversion/ cloudkill fiend with metamagic and a little trap the soul action thrown in.
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Re: Ideas for stating glen cook's: 10 who were taken
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2011, 07:04:12 AM »
Yeah, that was awesome.

Any idea for the former rebels such as Whisper, Journey, and Feather?

I'd have to recheck my sources, but I'm pretty sure Catcher gets clone and ventriloquism.

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Re: Ideas for stating glen cook's: 10 who were taken
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2011, 04:35:59 PM »
Journey, and Feather?
Did they actually do anything besides get caught in bed and signel the charge in the battle between the taken and the circle/rebles?
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Re: Ideas for stating glen cook's: 10 who were taken
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2011, 03:24:37 AM »
not to my knowledge

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Re: Ideas for stating glen cook's: 10 who were taken
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2011, 04:01:41 AM »
Well I'm totally cool with that..... For one of the two.
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Re: Ideas for stating glen cook's: 10 who were taken
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2011, 09:33:24 AM »
Actually, there were plenty of descriptions of crazy battlefield magic during the first book. I would consider most of those guys specialist wizards. Shapeshifter is just a focused specialist transmuter. Soulcatcher is an Enchanter. Lady is a Specialist Diviner. The odd thing is that as the series went on, the wizards seemed to go down in relative power level. In the first book, they're throwing around 7th-8th level spell effects, or maybe 5th-6th with widen + sculpt or some such. By the end of the series, the magic seems to be back down in the 3rd-4th level range. Obviously the variety of magic used couldn't possibly reflect the endless variety available to a splatbooked Wiz20, but if you consider a core wizard of 13th level or so, with a focus on fighting large armies...

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Re: Ideas for stating glen cook's: 10 who were taken
« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2011, 11:31:10 AM »
Lady is a Specialist Diviner.
Yeah that makes sence if you include ?brain spider from forgotten relms and mindrape from where ever that is
Shapeshifter is just a focused specialist transmuter.
well..... ok
Soulcatcher is an Enchanter.
wait wtf??
I agree with your conclusions but I think that, If anything Catcher should be a necromatic focused caster. I also like adding on minor shapeshift to... guess who. Also spell focus and greater spell focus.

The only problem is you choose the easiest ones to stat. How do you stat the hanged man? Or Stormbringer.  Evocation focused just doesn't do an angry undead who messes with the weather for fun justice.

And BTW I think both the flavor and effects of the necropolitan template work really well here.
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Re: Ideas for stating glen cook's: 10 who were taken
« Reply #9 on: August 23, 2011, 05:18:03 PM »
Stormbringer hijacked some Druid spells. Otherwise is a conjurer. The Hanged Man didn't get enough screen time to have a specialization.

As for Soulcatcher, how much raising of the dead did she do? Pretty much none. She was all about fucking with people's heads, though. Consider the enchantment school in a world where there is little or no immunity to mind-affecting. Illusion might be appropriate as well.

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Re: Ideas for stating glen cook's: 10 who were taken
« Reply #10 on: August 23, 2011, 05:23:24 PM »
I'll look at the books again but besides getting into goblin and one-eyes head I don't remember soul catcher doing any thing enchantment related.
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Re: Ideas for stating glen cook's: 10 who were taken
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2011, 04:16:19 AM »
Maybe illusionist?  She was pretty big on the voices of the legion.

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Re: Ideas for stating glen cook's: 10 who were taken
« Reply #12 on: September 06, 2011, 10:23:56 PM »
You could also reference their published stats in The Black Company campaign setting book, and extrapolate that way.
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