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need help with a sword and board
« on: August 11, 2011, 12:34:13 AM »
hey guys im helping my dm design an npc for the game cause he dosent have the time to do it.

military commander of legend
here is the setup

he needs to have sword and board
lv 12
stats: 17,17,16,15,12,10
he can have 2 flaws, though the have to be -1 hp every lv and -2 to all str- dex- and con- checks
he has to have high intelligence
has to have leadership
 
i have his cohort done its a gen. spell caster 10 living breast plate that specializes in divination magic and simple buffs to make sure he knows he battle field at all times and can command his troops from any where

i usually don't bother with sword and board unless im tanking at LV 1-3 so i could use a hand here

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Re: need help with a sword and board
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2011, 01:08:36 AM »
hey guys im helping my dm design an npc for the game cause he dosent have the time to do it.

military commander of legend
here is the setup

he needs to have sword and board
lv 12
stats: 17,17,16,15,12,10
he can have 2 flaws, though the have to be -1 hp every lv and -2 to all str- dex- and con- checks
he has to have high intelligence
has to have leadership
 
i have his cohort done its a gen. spell caster 10 living breast plate that specializes in divination magic and simple buffs to make sure he knows he battle field at all times and can command his troops from any where

i usually don't bother with sword and board unless im tanking at LV 1-3 so i could use a hand here

Bard/crusader, focusing on Inspire Courage. Carry around a big masterwork war-drum (those things can literally be heard for miles, and they give bonuses to Inspire Courage). Use Inspire Courage to boost everyone on the battlefield, and White Raven maneuvers to inspire your nearby troops when battle comes to you. Use your maneuvers to actually deal damage (which is the only way you're using S&B without an animated shield or TWF with a shield bash).

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Re: need help with a sword and board
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2011, 01:18:10 AM »
bards a good idea forgot about it, but i sadly dont have access to tome of battle

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Re: need help with a sword and board
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2011, 01:19:42 AM »
Be a cleric. Cover your shield with as many symbols and glyphs as possible.

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Re: need help with a sword and board
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2011, 01:23:57 AM »
Is it not allowed in-game, or do you just not happen to have it?

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Re: need help with a sword and board
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2011, 01:31:14 AM »
sadly i dont have a laptop and the dm who is running the guy has no prior knowledge of the tome, so its just for sake of ease that i dont want t use it.

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Re: need help with a sword and board
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2011, 01:54:49 AM »
Please use ToB/Dragon, else I typed this ON A MOBILE for nothing! :(

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Re: need help with a sword and board
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2011, 02:27:59 AM »
Does it have to actually be a sword?  If you make the breastplate able to cast greater mighty wallop (Races of the Dragon) and use strongarm bracers (Magic Item Compendium), you can have the damage of a colossal weapon, but it has to deal bludgeoning damage.  If that weapon is a maul (Complete Warrior), that's 6d8 damage. 

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Re: need help with a sword and board
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2011, 02:39:32 AM »
TWF with sneak attack and/or the Shield Bash line of feats (sorry, I don't have a link, but I remember some sword and board builds coming up in and old "gauntlet" thread here on the WotC boards. Maybe that will be enough to jog someone else's memory... )
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Re: need help with a sword and board
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2011, 02:44:03 AM »
They're in the PHB2.

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Re: need help with a sword and board
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2011, 09:22:50 AM »
Getting a high Cha and levels in Marshal might not be a bad idea either.

Sadly, without ToB, sword and board is ridicolously sub-par. What books do you have available Luckily your attributes are good, so you might be able to do something anyway, Here is a build that can do something while hiding behind a tower shield:
Weaponry: Tower Shield, Flail, Whip, some kind of armour.
Str 16, dex 12, con 16 (15+1levels), wis 10, int 18(17+1levels), cha 18 (17+1 levels)

Marshal 1/Factotum 3/Paladin 6(of freedom or slaughter) (1st level is harmonious knight/Bard 1/Warrior Skald 1 (races of Faerun 187, alternatively an extra level of Bard will have to do)
Feat suggestions: Jotunbrud, Combat Reflexes + Improved Trip, Imperious Command, Devoted Performer (will double your paladin level for amount of bardic music per day, setting it to 14)

Depending on the gold available, this guy would benefit greatly from stat increases to Int, Cha and Str. Atm, he has +15 to his trip attempts, but he could use some sort of enlarge person effect (possibly from his cohort) to get reach and +5 extra, torc of the titans could be an option, adding another +5.
EDIT: Have his closest followers (not the high level ones, that would be a waste) be Marshals with good Cha, his council of war so to speak will add their CHA to his Int, and Str Checks, making him get even more bonus on his trip attempts.
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Alternatively:
Marshal 1 (with inspire Charisma ability)/Zhentarim Dungeoncrasher Fighter 9/Harmonious Knight 1/Warrior Skald 1
With Imperious Command (drow of the underdark), and a bunch of charisma enhancers you could easily get an intimidate check at around the 40s perhaps even 50s with Item Familiar. Then you've got this character that hammers a war-drum (attached to his shield ofc), and when the enemies get close he makes them cower in fear at his might, then he runs into them so they stumble into walls, stuff and eachother. His retinue could be a group of 6th level fighters with dungeoncrasher, and marshals with inspire strength and inspire combat maneouvres auras.
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Re: need help with a sword and board
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2011, 11:32:04 AM »
If you can't use ToB, I'd actually suggest dropping the "sword" part entirely.  Complete Warrior and PHB2 have some good shield feats and I recall a build on 339 that used them to devestating effect, acting very much as a bulldozer with a save vs. Daze, Str check vs Trip on pretty much every attack.  Used no ToB either (was written before the book was released).
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« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2011, 11:46:20 AM »
If you can't use ToB, I'd actually suggest dropping the "sword" part entirely.  Complete Warrior and PHB2 have some good shield feats and I recall a build on 339 that used them to devestating effect, acting very much as a bulldozer with a save vs. Daze, Str check vs Trip on pretty much every attack.  Used no ToB either (was written before the book was released).
I think this is the same build I mean, but I don't remember who made it or where it was... I think it might have been Meyer, the guy who started the "gauntlet" threads and the "overpowered casters" thread.
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Re: need help with a sword and board
« Reply #13 on: August 11, 2011, 12:35:26 PM »
Sounds like you mean the Bulldozer in the first post here.
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Re: need help with a sword and board
« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2011, 01:04:27 PM »
Sounds like you mean the Bulldozer in the first post here.

That is good, but it really needs Mighty Swing to get off. Which it doesn't get until level 14, and the OP asked for a 12th level build. Off course you could drop the Rogue levels and go Wolf & Lion Totem Barbarian 2/DungeonCrasher Fighter (with Zhentarim levels added, there's no loss to that anyway) 6/War Hulk 4. Then you just need two flaws to pick up what you lose with the lost levels of rogue.

Also other good feats for such a build would include that touchstone giving you a bigger size, and Jotunbrud, since it improves tripping with your shield greatly.

But this is pretty good with knockback, since you can pretty much push your opponents back. Only three squares per attack, but with a full attack, you get 2 times those three squares with your shield anyway (assuming you hold it in your main hand, and why wouldn't you?)

The race could be Half-Minotaur, the IMO, best Large Race out there. If you can find room for it in the build adding something Psionic for Expansion might be a good idea.
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Re: need help with a sword and board
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2011, 10:09:33 PM »
How about gishing it up:

fighter1/wizard6/spellsword1/abjurantchampion5

And you'd only need a +1 mithral small shield with a bunch of enchantments since you'll get a +9 shield bonus from an AC-enhanced shield spell.