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Troll/half gold dragon build
« on: July 29, 2011, 04:57:17 AM »
I am making a troll that is half gold dragon and am looking for good prc or class to make it OP. I has looking at spellfire channeler because of the huge energy storage from the con bonus but there is the issue that at the elevels the spellfire channeler class is not on par with some of the things that we will be dealing with being that it is all epic.

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Re: Troll/half gold dragon build
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2011, 05:06:43 AM »
Deja vu.  Like I said there, pugilist variant fighter (Dragon 310) to subtract your con from all nonlethal damage. 

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Re: Troll/half gold dragon build
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2011, 10:35:56 AM »
I suggest Bone Knight. Makes you impervious to Subdual Damage, so now only acid damage can harm you. Cast immunity to acid and you can't be hurt by HP damage.
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Re: Troll/half gold dragon build
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2011, 03:49:27 PM »
I would also like to point out that the rest of the party is a bunch of mega min/max OPers. The group usually ends up fighting stuff WAY over its recommended cr and is usually min/max its self. Of course the most broken player in the groups is a Wizard who never runs out of spell slots because he created a his own demi plane where time is dilated and he always saves a plane shift to go back there, reset and get all his spells back. I should also mention he is level 25 and has made up a bunch of time magic and uses a lot of the time spells already in place. So he can generally destroy everything him self.

I only have 19 levels my self to work with. Troll half gold dragon takes up 14 LA. 3 for half dragon, 5 for troll and 6 for the trolls HD. That leaves 5 levels to work with.
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Re: Troll/half gold dragon build
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2011, 04:16:39 PM »
In that case, I recommend switching to a half-black dragon war troll, and grabbing those levels Bone Knight. Since you're going somewhere paladin-y, I would also recommend being a Cleric/Prestige Paladin and grabbing Battle Blessing, because you're going to need some serious shenanigans beyond just being impossible to kill in order to be competitive. Seriously, immunity to damage isn't going to cut it with that wizard in the party. Just don't mention Planar Bubble (Far Realms) (which would grant said wizard 100 turns to your 1).
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Re: Troll/half gold dragon build
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2011, 04:18:37 PM »
In that case, I recommend switching to a half-black dragon war troll, and grabbing those levels Bone Knight. Since you're going somewhere paladin-y, I would also recommend being a Cleric/Prestige Paladin and grabbing Battle Blessing, because you're going to need some serious shenanigans beyond just being impossible to kill in order to be competitive. Seriously, immunity to damage isn't going to cut it with that wizard in the party. Just don't mention Planar Bubble (Far Realms) (which would grant said wizard 100 turns to your 1).
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Re: Troll/half gold dragon build
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2011, 04:48:10 PM »
The problem with war troll is it pus me 2 over the ecl I can start with. I only have 19 to work with.

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Re: Troll/half gold dragon build
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2011, 04:56:19 PM »
Remember to defend against methods of attack other than damage.  Get a third eye conceal and ring of freedom of movement or a cowl of warding (Magic of Faerun) for continuous mind blank and freedom of movement.  Get soulfire (Book of Exalted Deeds) armor for immunity to death effects.  Get a hathran mask of true seeing (Unapproachable East) for continuous true seeing.  You may also want items that remove the need to eat and breathe and give you immunity to poison.  

I only have 19 levels my self to work with.

Why aren't all your party members the same ECL?  

The problem with war troll is it pus me 2 over the ecl I can start with. I only have 19 to work with.

Half-battle dragon crystalline troll is ECL 18 before class levels.  
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Re: Troll/half gold dragon build
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2011, 04:59:02 PM »
Get a shadow cloak (Drow of the underdark) for a 3/day immediate action teleport.  Dodge whatever threatens you.
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Re: Troll/half gold dragon build
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2011, 05:06:21 PM »
Sorry I checked again and he is 21 but regardless the wizard is the only surviving char of this game that has been going on for 3 years. The GM more or less made him the protagonist because of this.

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Re: Troll/half gold dragon build
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2011, 05:08:06 PM »

Half-battle dragon crystalline troll is ECL 18 before class levels.  

This is a much better idea

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Re: Troll/half gold dragon build
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2011, 05:23:30 PM »
Why doesn't the wizard just use astral projection? That is much safer than leaving your demiplane. Then the entire party could be living in his Demiplane and astral project from there. No more character deaths.
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Re: Troll/half gold dragon build
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2011, 05:40:15 PM »
Why doesn't the wizard just use astral projection? That is much safer than leaving your demiplane. Then the entire party could be living in his Demiplane and astral project from there. No more character deaths.

He has another trick where he can't die. He has some form of contingency in place where something casts true resurrection on him if he dies. It can only do this once a day. With his I can stop time and go to his demi plane with time dilation trick it makes it infinite times in a day.
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Re: Troll/half gold dragon build
« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2011, 04:31:40 PM »
You'll pretty much have to play a caster to even hope to keep up with him.

I suggest an initiate of the sevenfold veil for the Immune-to-Everything effect, then maybe be an uber-buffer? War weaver + legacy champion = 12th level spells castable through your weave.
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Re: Troll/half gold dragon build
« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2011, 06:03:24 PM »
You'll pretty much have to play a caster to even hope to keep up with him.

I suggest an initiate of the sevenfold veil for the Immune-to-Everything effect, then maybe be an uber-buffer? War weaver + legacy champion = 12th level spells castable through your weave.
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Actually I had a build idea that used a frenzied berserker to be un-killable via deathless frenzy and then used anti-magic torque to stop most effects that would kill you outright. Bonus points if your DM rules that psionic-magic transparency doesn't mean that anti-magic field affects psionics so you can be a troll/psychic warrior. 
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Re: Troll/half gold dragon build
« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2011, 06:35:07 PM »
You'll pretty much have to play a caster to even hope to keep up with him.

I suggest an initiate of the sevenfold veil for the Immune-to-Everything effect, then maybe be an uber-buffer? War weaver + legacy champion = 12th level spells castable through your weave.
OR be like me and carry a Antimagic Torque. JK
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Re: Troll/half gold dragon build
« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2011, 08:48:52 PM »
If you want to play a monster you might want to see if you can play as a Sharn.

Sharn 9/Mystic Theurge 10 would give you the spellcasting of a 17th level sorcerer and a 14th level cleric. While you wouldn't quite have 9th level spellcasting you would have all of the silliness that is the Sharn.

Black Ethergaunt would work too, though you would need to use a SS progression since it's a 20th level monster.

If you decide to stick with Troll/Half Dragon you are going to be completely useless or at least completely reliant on a caster to help you with buffs and positioning. Neither troll nor half-dragon are that good for a high powered game.

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Re: Troll/half gold dragon build
« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2011, 08:53:48 PM »
You'll pretty much have to play a caster to even hope to keep up with him.

I suggest an initiate of the sevenfold veil for the Immune-to-Everything effect, then maybe be an uber-buffer? War weaver + legacy champion = 12th level spells castable through your weave.
OR be like me and carry a Antimagic Torque. JK
Actually I had a build idea that used a frenzied berserker to be un-killable via deathless frenzy and then used anti-magic torque to stop most effects that would kill you outright. Bonus points if your DM rules that psionic-magic transparency doesn't mean that anti-magic field affects psionics so you can be a troll/psychic warrior. 
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Re: Troll/half gold dragon build
« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2011, 08:58:51 PM »
If you want to play a monster you might want to see if you can play as a Sharn.

Sharn 9/Mystic Theurge 10 would give you the spellcasting of a 17th level sorcerer and a 14th level cleric. While you wouldn't quite have 9th level spellcasting you would have all of the silliness that is the Sharn.

Black Ethergaunt would work too, though you would need to use a SS progression since it's a 20th level monster.

If you decide to stick with Troll/Half Dragon you are going to be completely useless or at least completely reliant on a caster to help you with buffs and positioning. Neither troll nor half-dragon are that good for a high powered game.

You are quite clearly setting the bar too low.

Divine Minion 1 (bought off)/Beholder Mage 3/Rainbow Servant 10/Incantatrix 3/Mind Bender 1 is the only way to play a truly monstrous character. Cast level 34 before cheese. Technically well into epic spells, but sadly Beholder mage don't have an epic progression.
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