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help me level up a DMM persisting cleric please
« on: July 28, 2011, 11:45:27 AM »
this is for a friend, and i never have really played a cleric. I have it build alittle bit so far but I need help finishing it. the race is lesser drow. heres the build, i need it up'd to ECL 10. its currently at ecl 6.
[spoiler]cloistered cleric 3/ church inquisitor 2/ divine oracle 1


3d6+3d8=hp:38
BaB 3- FRW- 3/1/8
detect evil, immune to charms, scry bonus
skills 6+.x6, 4+.x2, 2+.

domains(magic/travel)
feats-5
(b)knowledge devotion
(b)travel devotion-move as swift action
(b)protection dev- +7ac-30ft radius
extend
persist
domain metamagic(persist)
extra turning x2
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Re: help me level up a DMM persisting cleric please
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2011, 11:59:09 AM »
Use Half-Deepwyrm Drow if at all possible.  You lose virtually nothing, and gain the Dragonblood subtype and some nifty SLAs.

I'm assuming from the Domain selection that extra turning pools (like from the Water or Plant domains) don't fuel DMM, so I'll leave that option out.

First off, keep the Knowledge domain from Cloistered Cleric.  It has a good domain ability and solid spells (at least relative to other domains).  Inquisition can be changed out for Knowledge Devotion as well, and given that you're not going Divine Magician to get necessary dispelling goodies, I highly recommend that.  I doubt you're going to hit the requisite 16 turn attempts to get a second persistent spell at this point, so I suggest working Divine Spell Power into the build somehow to buffer yourself against Dispel Magic until you can get a Spellblade weapon.

Beyond that it's really about spell selection, and that depends on what you want the cleric to do and what the party needs you to do.

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Re: help me level up a DMM persisting cleric please
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2011, 12:05:32 PM »
That's a lot of devotions.  Two of them use turn attempts and thus the character is really turning attempt hungry.  I hope the DM allows Nightstick usage.  

Also, Divine Oracle requires skill focus knowledge religion as a feat which you don't have listed.  Are the first 6 levels and race set in stone?  

Overall, taking Divine Oracle to 10 is fine.  Being immune to surprise is incredible at late levels.

I would try to double dip turning pools by turning dragonborn and taking the sub level to rebuke dragons and then taking a level of Sacred Exorcist to get back turn undead and having two turning pools.  

Edit: I disagree with X-Code's suggestion to keep the knowledge domain. 
- Free attack/damage bonuses are great!
- Knowledge Devotion STILL gives you one free knowledge skill.
- Looking at the spell list for the knowledge domain, I see mediocre divination spells that may be situationaly useful but probably won't be used much.
« Last Edit: July 28, 2011, 12:35:31 PM by Rebel7284 »
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Re: help me level up a DMM persisting cleric please
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2011, 04:44:18 PM »
You forgot to note that the character has the Inquisition Domain from Church Inquisitor. Having the Inquisition Domain means, like X-Codes said, that you keep the Knowledge Domain and trade away the Inquisition Domain for Knowledge Devotion.

Other than that, though, it really depends on what the player wants to do. Melee beatstick, don't mind losing a caster level or two? Power Attack is nice, as is Ordained Champion (prc from Complete Champion). If you're going utility caster, then Sacred Exorcist is nice, and pretty much anything else that doesn't cost caster levels.

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Re: help me level up a DMM persisting cleric please
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2011, 10:33:47 PM »
1) Identify- Pretty lousy spell because of the component, but sometimes you gotta do what you just gotta do.  When selecting domains, pick another domain with a good first-level spell (like Plant, Strength, or Water).
2) Detect Thoughts- Situationally useful, but if you apply it creatively then you can make it more useful more often.
3) Clairaudience/Clairvoyance- Your first scrying spell.  Until someone gets Scry Location, this spell will have a purpose.
4) Divination- More limited than Commune in that you only get one question, but substantially easier to use because it's got a cheap material component instead of an XP component (and it's a level earlier).  Honestly, I always prepare this in my Domain slot.
5) True Seeing- If you need it, you need it.  I agree that this is a weak level, though, so pick a complimentary domain with a strong 5th-level spell (like Earth, Plant, Magic, or Protection domains).
6) Find the Path- Probably the best divination spell ever.  Find the exact route to a destination, and automatically find all natural hazards and traps along the way.
7) Legend Lore- It's tough to justify at 7th level, but it's a worthwhile cast if you need information, and at the very least you have access to the spell when you need it.  Again, pick a complimentary domain, because you aren't going to cast this spell all that often (Protection and Magic are good again, as are Water and the Alignment domains).
8) Discern Location- Like Detect Thoughts, it's situationally useful, but it becomes more useful more often if you are creative with it.
9) Foresight- As a 9th-level spell, I have to agree that it's underwhelming.  If you aren't immune to surprise by some other means, however (such as Divine Oracle 10), then this is not a bad place to get it.  Frankly, few domains have a top-of-the-line 9th-level spell, anyway.

So no, not every spell in the Knowledge domain is a rock star, but no domain is like that (well, except for Spell and Time... Mystra is brokzorrs).  Knowledge has a lot of really good spells in it, and the ability is really good as well.  Compare that to Inquisiton, which is really bad in terms of Spells and only has a good ability if you're grabbing Sor/Wiz dispels via Divine Magician (or you are a Sor/Wiz), and it's clear which one wins.

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Re: help me level up a DMM persisting cleric please
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2011, 11:54:22 AM »
3 more levels of Church Inquisitor, 1 more level of Divine Oracle?

Alternatively, levels in Radiant servant of Pelor is awesome due to the domains and the profiencies.

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Re: help me level up a DMM persisting cleric please
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2011, 11:59:35 AM »
1) Identify- Pretty lousy spell because of the component, but sometimes you gotta do what you just gotta do.  When selecting domains, pick another domain with a good first-level spell (like Plant, Strength, or Water).
Clerics don't have to supply the material component.

[spoiler]Identify
Divination
Level:    Brd 1, Magic 2, Sor/Wiz 1
Components:    V, S, M/DF (that slash means it's either/or, not both)
Casting Time:    1 hour
Range:    Touch
Targets:    One touched object
Duration:    Instantaneous
Saving Throw:    None
Spell Resistance:    No

The spell determines all magic properties of a single magic item, including how to activate those functions (if appropriate), and how many charges are left (if any).

Identify does not function when used on an artifact.

Arcane Material Component

A pearl of at least 100 gp value, crushed and stirred into wine with an owl feather; the infusion must be drunk prior to spellcasting. [/spoiler]From here:
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If the Components line includes F/DF or M/DF, the arcane version of the spell has a focus component or a material component (the abbreviation before the slash) and the divine version has a divine focus component (the abbreviation after the slash).
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Re: help me level up a DMM persisting cleric please
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2011, 12:22:11 PM »
Interesting.  At low levels, that's actually a really nice benefit.  It's not something I'd prep every day, but still useful.

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Re: help me level up a DMM persisting cleric please
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2011, 02:42:50 AM »
k so nightsticks DO stack. the race has to be some sort of drow/lesser drow base.

alot of really good input here guys. id really appriciate it if some one could just do a quick mock up of the progression like i did in the original post. i dont have to much time.. so i guess im asking for someone to hook me up here  :P

he wants a persisting buffer type, drow base, no necromancy. thats all the limits really.

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Re: help me level up a DMM persisting cleric please
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2011, 11:45:39 AM »
wheres the prestiege paladin
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