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My party vs 100 soldiers..
« on: July 27, 2011, 02:58:24 PM »
hi all dudes!
Books allowed: PH1 PH2 DM1 and all monsters manuals
My party:
Paladin with a war horse
Druid (melee focused)
Rogue/barbarian (dunno exact he got in mind  ???)

we are all lvl 5 and we almost allways find encounters with many humans (archers, knights, halberdiers)
last one was vs 50 of them...
next one it could be vs 100 of them...

I was not prepared to this kind of encounters.. i got my Fleshraker Dinosaur but he almost die in fight...
Dunno if there are better companions for this situation or if i need to stat some points in ride and getting a mount..

any advice?

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Re: My party vs 100 soldiers..
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2011, 03:18:15 PM »
Do the enemy use some kind of battle formation?
If so, you could literally block at least half of them with battlefield controls. Heck, they're probably level 1 human warrior, you can even kill them with battlefield controls (sadly not very much on core only). Entangle will do the blocking.

Also, prepare at least 1 Wind Wall to literally block the archers.


As per the animal companion, swindlespitter dinosaur as an AoE attack that causes blindness. That could be handy.
However if you get your fleshraker dinosaur to wear a light armor, I don't see what problems he might have. Apart from the usual "even a commoner can hit you on a natural 20" that is the risk everyone of you have when facing a hundred enemies. And he also has a tail attack, so he can even attack enemies on his behind.
I think fleshraker is better.
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Re: My party vs 100 soldiers..
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2011, 03:22:31 PM »
That's a difficult encounter for a DM to run... How does yours handle rolling for 50 or 100 NPCs?  :twitch

In addition to Entangle and Wind Wall, do your best to try and use the terrain to your advantage. Engage the enemy in places where Entangle will work, and where they're forced through "bottlenecks", like canyons, etc, so not all of them can attack you at once, or they have to all attack from the same direction at least.

If you can't choose to fight them on your terms (choose the place), then run away till you can.
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Re: My party vs 100 soldiers..
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2011, 04:26:16 PM »
Also, just noting that Rogue/Barbarian/Ranger combos are decent builds for campaigns that never go above 6th level. Decent as in, not a ToB character but still pretty damn versatile for being an ordinary martial character.

What sort of soldiers are these? First level warriors? Consider wildshaping into something flying (like an eagle) cast wind walk, then cast call lightning, that can essentially last the encounter while blasting little men.

Alternatively, get your guys some mounts, get those mounts some speed increases, and then just use longbows to kill the soldier units. Their archers wont be effective enough to hit you reliably anyway.

Unless all the hundred guys are 5th level fighters. In which case I suggest finding a new DM or just playing a Beholder Mage.
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Re: My party vs 100 soldiers..
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2011, 04:50:58 PM »
You'll definitely want some area of effect spells handy. Buy scrolls so you'll have plenty ready. The more area you can affect (for both battlefield control and for damage) the faster and easier this will go for you.
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Re: My party vs 100 soldiers..
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2011, 05:28:05 PM »
By all means also use Wind Wall and Entangle.  But this spell should be the crux of your battle plans.  Get scrolls of it if you need to cover more area than your spell slots can permit, but it is one of the largest shapeable area spells in the game already, so maybe not an issue, and the duration is so awesome you could even set it up before the battle (I prefer to wait to cast it amidst the enemy, for a better morale-breaking panick effect -- he can't see the spiky death, he can only assume it's all around him, anywhere he moves could bedeadly, what is there to do other than stand still and poop yourself?).

Works best if you can cast a lasting damage spell in the area with it, so they die no matter whether they move or stay.

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Re: My party vs 100 soldiers..
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2011, 05:39:33 PM »
Also, as the party caster you'll pretty much be the one winning this battle for the group. Don't expect much from the rest of the party; they're basically there to protect you. Have one of them set up a tower shield to give you total concealment. Move out of cover to cast, and have one of them move in front of you after you're done. One of the others should ready an action to intercept any arrows coming at you while you're casting. And the last one? Well, I'm sure someone can find a way to make him useful.

[edit] In fact, give them all tower shields. They don't have to worry about nonproficiency penalties, given they're all defense on this one.
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Re: My party vs 100 soldiers..
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2011, 05:54:27 PM »
Also, as the party caster you'll pretty much be the one winning this battle for the group. Don't expect much from the rest of the party; they're basically there to protect you. Have one of them set up a tower shield to give you total concealment. Move out of cover to cast, and have one of them move in front of you after you're done. One of the others should ready an action to intercept any arrows coming at you while you're casting. And the last one? Well, I'm sure someone can find a way to make him useful.

[edit] In fact, give them all tower shields. They don't have to worry about nonproficiency penalties, given they're all defense on this one.

This is probably how it will go, unless the Rogue somehow has achieved a decent use magic device modifier.  I'd say one to tower shield protect you, the other to be ready to murder any stragglers that escape your area of death, though.  Part of the power of the area of death isn't just the death.  It's the weakening and dividing (which leads to conquering) of those who get out.  Anyone that does struggle through it will be isolated and injured, rather than alongside 99 friends in perfect health.  Set up a small trench or earthen barrier for your fleshraker and the one PC who'll be doing this (if the rogue/barb is more barb than rogue, make it him for the carnage he can inflict, if he's mostly a squishy rogue, make it the paladin) and then the "greeting party" can spring out whenever someone breaks out, flank and kill him/them, and go back behind cover afterwards.

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Re: My party vs 100 soldiers..
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2011, 06:05:18 PM »
That's fair, but everyone should have access to a tower shield to give them cover regardless. A hundred archers (even level 1s) can wipe out a party if they've got the advantage of terrain and some lucky shots.

They're only level 5s, after all, and there's no sense wasting a casting of Wind Wall if a few gp will amount to the same thing.
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Re: My party vs 100 soldiers..
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2011, 06:08:49 PM »
But if you give everyone a tower shield they can still drop it as a free action when the others get too close. Seems smart enough to me to give them all one, just in case.

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Re: My party vs 100 soldiers..
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2011, 08:44:15 PM »
Oh yeah, spike growth is nasty.
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Re: My party vs 100 soldiers..
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2011, 12:12:20 AM »
But if you give everyone a tower shield they can still drop it as a free action when the others get too close. Seems smart enough to me to give them all one, just in case.
It's a move action to loose a shield.
Oh yeah, spike growth is nasty.
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Re: My party vs 100 soldiers..
« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2011, 01:14:08 AM »
If you lack a tower shield, wrench a nearby door off its hinges.

That spell confirms my suspicions that low-level Druids are nonetheless extremely valuable casters in mass battle. Entangle started it.

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Re: My party vs 100 soldiers..
« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2011, 01:16:16 AM »
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Re: My party vs 100 soldiers..
« Reply #14 on: July 28, 2011, 02:31:15 AM »
YOU MUST 60' radius darkness.

Then after 2 rounds (1 spike growth and 1 drifts of the sham while your lads fire darkness arrows) the army is moving at 1/16th speed and taking damage every round!  :clap

All you have to do then is leave a couple of soldiers alive as slaves to carry all the booty away!
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Re: My party vs 100 soldiers..
« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2011, 02:35:58 AM »
To make it really nuts, get a scroll of Murderous mist and use it with your braces of entangling blast.
Anyone who survives the 1d6+4 damage/round is entangled and permanently blind!
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Re: My party vs 100 soldiers..
« Reply #16 on: July 28, 2011, 02:42:20 AM »
and...

...if you know where the fights going to be go Brave Heart style and coat the ground with oil and light it up with a flaming arrow of deeper darkness!!!  Burning in the dark!

Start by lighting 2 strips down either side of the army to drive them into a corridor then send down the 60' wide mist of blindness!
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Re: My party vs 100 soldiers..
« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2011, 07:40:08 AM »
Kelgore's grave mist is quite decent as well. Perhaps of too small a radius for this.

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Re: My party vs 100 soldiers..
« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2011, 10:15:06 AM »
Kelgore's grave mist is quite decent as well. Perhaps of too small a radius for this.
Where's that from?
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« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2011, 10:21:49 AM »
Kelgore's grave mist is quite decent as well. Perhaps of too small a radius for this.
Where's that from?
PH2 IIRC
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