Author Topic: Is there a True Vampire Monster Class (Read 7050 times)

Cagemarrow · « **on:** July 10, 2011, 03:14:06 PM »

Well, in our current game my 13th level binder Jacob is facing off against a vampire trapped in a light house. It can't cross the running water of the ocean to escape. As my character is currently the biggest threat to it he's likely to go down to its blood drain ability, which should raise him as a True Vampire afterwards, instead of as a Vampire Spawn. I'd like to keep playing this character so need a way to deal with the +8 Level Adjust of the True Vampire and hoped that there was a Monster Progression Class available for it, but I can't find one anywhere. Does anyone else know where an official one is?

I know about the Vampire Spawn one in Libre Mortis, but that honestly doesn't seem right. It's 8 class levels for a CR 4 with 4 hit dice? I suppose Minotaur follows the same formula with 6 hd and LA +2 for 8 levels, but it just seems off to me.

oslecamo · « **Reply #1 on:** July 10, 2011, 03:34:46 PM »

Well here's the official one.

But it's still 8 levels whitout any HD gained.

On the other hand there's the monster classes project I created to allow players to play monsters whitout LA in my signature. Here's the index and here's my vampire.

Damien_Wilacoth · « **Reply #2 on:** July 10, 2011, 03:53:20 PM »

Or, if you really want to use official material without losing too many HD, take one level of the monster progression, then continue it with Legacy Champion, from Weapons of Legacy. It'll take you longer to actually complete the monstrous progression (which wasn't going to end before epic, anyway), but you'll be getting d8s for all but one of those levels, which is better than nothing.

Cagemarrow · « **Reply #3 on:** July 10, 2011, 04:14:46 PM »

Interesting option. I'd need to pick up a weapon of Legacy though, which shouldn't be too hard. We are currently in the tower to retrieve the Sunblade and that has a legacy option to it. . . hmm.

PhaedrusXY · « **Reply #4 on:** July 10, 2011, 04:44:59 PM »

Quote from: Damien_Wilacoth on July 10, 2011, 03:53:20 PM

Or, if you really want to use official material without losing too many HD, take one level of the monster progression, then continue it with Legacy Champion, from Weapons of Legacy. It'll take you longer to actually complete the monstrous progression (which wasn't going to end before epic, anyway), but you'll be getting d8s for all but one of those levels, which is better than nothing.

Wow... that's a neat trick!

The_Mad_Linguist · « **Reply #5 on:** July 10, 2011, 04:54:24 PM »

Quote from: oslecamo on July 10, 2011, 03:34:46 PM

Well here's the official one.

But it's still 8 levels whitout any HD gained.

On the plus side, you can multiclass freely with it.

And the "undeath" ability is significantly better than normal, since the character now uses "either his Charisma modifier or his Constitution modifier (+0), whichever is better, for all skills, save DCs, and other quantities that previously incorporated his Constitution modifier. "
So you get cha to hp instead of con, for instance. Which is pretty cool.

Cagemarrow · « **Reply #6 on:** July 11, 2011, 01:50:07 AM »

Do you think the vestige Ipos would grant protection from the Sun and Water for a vampire?

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Planar Attenuation: You gain protection from the natural effects of a specific plane. These effects include extremes in temperature, lack of air, poisonous fumes, emanations of positive or negative energy, or other attributes of the plane itself. You can change the plane to which you are attuned as a standard action.

What existing Legacy Weapon would you recommend for a Diplomat Focused Binder 6/ Knight of the Sacred Seal 5/ Fey Bloodline 2 (moderate) character?

awaken DM golem · « **Reply #7 on:** July 11, 2011, 08:49:06 PM »

Yeah the Legacy Champ PrC is like Monsters On Crack.

PAO once or twice, with Assume Supernatural or Metamorphic Transfer feat(s).
Custom Item of Dispel Counterspell.
Somewhere in the 2nd to 5th level range.
I mean this is T.O. but it's within some game's ballpark.

**

Something completely stupid ... in 4e Vampires can be done right away.
Get a Vamp Companion Character.
Day 1 - Round 1 ...... Bite Me.
Day 1 - Round 2+ ... OK Vamp, we don't need you anymore. Go home. Rest of party don't heal me correctly.
Day 2 - Round 1 ...... Hey I'm a Vampire.

And it's way waayyy better than the newest Essentials(4.5e) Vamp

oslecamo · « **Reply #8 on:** July 11, 2011, 09:10:22 PM »

Quote from: awaken DM golem on July 11, 2011, 08:49:06 PM

PAO once or twice, with Assume Supernatural or Metamorphic Transfer feat(s).

Isn't there a universal D&D rule that unless otherwise noticed, a spell never stacks with itself?

Cagemarrow · « **Reply #9 on:** July 11, 2011, 10:02:58 PM »

So are there any existing legacy items that would be appropriate for a binder diplomat? I don't think my gm would agree to a custom one.

What about my question for the planar protection ability and the vampire vulnerabilities? Any augments for or against that working?

awaken DM golem · « **Reply #10 on:** July 12, 2011, 06:47:40 PM »

Quote from: oslecamo on July 11, 2011, 09:10:22 PM

Quote from: awaken DM golem on July 11, 2011, 08:49:06 PM
PAO once or twice, with Assume Supernatural or Metamorphic Transfer feat(s).

Isn't there a universal D&D rule that unless otherwise noticed, a spell never stacks with itself?

Yes, but ...

PAO isn't permanent is you come from a different type.
The 2nd PAO makes that combo permanent.
Elan + PAO into Beholder is permanent.
Human + PAO into Beholder isn't permanent.
Beholder + PAO into Beholder is permanent.
Still subject to Dispel killing the combo.

Weird ... but that's Dirty Trick #1 for you.

sir_argenon · « **Reply #11 on:** July 12, 2011, 10:49:05 PM »

Quote from: Damien_Wilacoth on July 10, 2011, 03:53:20 PM

Or, if you really want to use official material without losing too many HD, take one level of the monster progression, then continue it with Legacy Champion, from Weapons of Legacy. It'll take you longer to actually complete the monstrous progression (which wasn't going to end before epic, anyway), but you'll be getting d8s for all but one of those levels, which is better than nothing.

nice trick... !!

too bad that weapons of legacy suck or i would seriously like to make one of those.

PhaedrusXY · « **Reply #12 on:** July 12, 2011, 10:58:27 PM »

Quote from: sir_argenon on July 12, 2011, 10:49:05 PM

Quote from: Damien_Wilacoth on July 10, 2011, 03:53:20 PM
Or, if you really want to use official material without losing too many HD, take one level of the monster progression, then continue it with Legacy Champion, from Weapons of Legacy. It'll take you longer to actually complete the monstrous progression (which wasn't going to end before epic, anyway), but you'll be getting d8s for all but one of those levels, which is better than nothing.

nice trick... !!

too bad that weapons of legacy suck or i would seriously like to make one of those.

The Shadow Hand one in Tome of Battle is pretty good. You can also make some great ones using the rules for customizing them.

But even if you use a crappy one... getting the vampire template for +1 LA is still kick ass!

Cagemarrow · « **Reply #13 on:** July 13, 2011, 09:37:48 AM »

I like the shadow hand one. Though I'll have to avoid having Naberous bound when attempting to do the first ritual.

PlzBreakMyCampaign · « **Reply #14 on:** July 14, 2011, 08:57:12 PM »

You want a RAW, very vampire-ish character that doesn't blow chunks basically

Search my build compendium. The build is called "A Vampire that doesn't suck (figuratively of course)." Don't read too far in past my RAI warnings unless your DM is willing to cooperate (which he should considering how reasonable all the interpretations are)

Cagemarrow · « **Reply #15 on:** July 15, 2011, 10:08:27 AM »

Do you have a link to that? Seach isn't finding it.

sir_argenon · « **Reply #16 on:** July 15, 2011, 01:21:53 PM »

Quote from: Cagemarrow on July 15, 2011, 10:08:27 AM

Do you have a link to that? Seach isn't finding it.

http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=3084.msg96183#msg96183

awaken DM golem · « **Reply #17 on:** July 16, 2011, 05:14:19 PM »

Niice. That's a lot of gymnastics to go, but good.

I suppose Necropolitan + some batch of Warlock and/or Necromancy,
and just try to be like a Vampire, would be fully functional.
It's almost a tvtrope of the Vampire wanna-be, except stronger.

EDIT --- or something like K/FrankT's The Word.
idk the details on why it did or didn't work, depending on who's point of view.
Assume it does, and plenty of goodies are to be had.
Full caster + X + turning weakness = good enough.

Cagemarrow · « **Reply #18 on:** July 17, 2011, 05:35:25 AM »

Well this question turned out to be moot. We managed to defeat the vampire locked in the tower after a very difficult fight with no losses. Turns out she was a 13th level sorcerer spellscale true vampire.

PlzBreakMyCampaign · « **Reply #19 on:** July 21, 2011, 12:47:53 AM »

Quote from: awaken DM golem on July 16, 2011, 05:14:19 PM

Niice. That's a lot of gymnastics to go, but good.

Thanks man. It surprised me just how little support there is for an incredibly common, core template.

It also happens to be the most inflated one ever in DnD. I thought I had once found a template more inflated (LA+11 in a dungeon magazine) but it turns out it was still a useful niche, unlike the LA+7 pretty useless core vamp template.

Once I catch up on some of my threads (im in the process of moving) I might redo that thread if some other things work out like finally dumping in the builds I haven't typed up or getting that thread resource subforum

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Author Topic: Is there a True Vampire Monster Class (Read 7050 times)