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Re: Maxing a mental stat
« Reply #60 on: September 22, 2011, 09:46:02 PM »
I managed Int in the high 40s starting as a level 1 wizard with an Int score rolled as 8.

Venerable age (+3)
Level-ups (+5)
Headband (+6)
Wishes/Tome (+5)
Polymorph Any Object (+20 or so, depending on form; I used a sarruhk, for +22)
I don't know if age changes apply to PoA given it sets your intelligence to the creature you're turning into whom (probably) can't be aged to begin with. I am in favor of Inherent bonuses applying regardless of forms taken though. Necromantic Empowerment gives a +8 enhancement bonus for a +2 over the headband.
Don't you stack bonuses in the most favorable way? They ARE from different sources. And if age bonuses don't stack then neither do inherent bonuses or level-up bonuses.
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Re: Maxing a mental stat
« Reply #61 on: September 22, 2011, 10:05:51 PM »
I have to agree with Lycanthromancer.

Plus, if you follow it logically, you have gained the bonus from years of experience. If that knowledge doesn't go away, then neither should the bonus. And the stats given in the various bestiaries are the basic stats for the creature, and any of them can be changed or enhanced per the monster improvement rules. So, in theory, anything can be improved.

Besides, if he's PaO-ing into a Sarruhk, anything else is irrelevant details. Because then he just needs a friend to PaO into a scaled one.

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Re: Maxing a mental stat
« Reply #62 on: September 22, 2011, 10:14:32 PM »
I have to agree with Lycanthromancer.

Plus, if you follow it logically, you have gained the bonus from years of experience. If that knowledge doesn't go away, then neither should the bonus. And the stats given in the various bestiaries are the basic stats for the creature, and any of them can be changed or enhanced per the monster improvement rules. So, in theory, anything can be improved.

Besides, if he's PaO-ing into a Sarruhk, anything else is irrelevant details. Because then he just needs a friend to PaO into a scaled one.
Well, in my particular case, I go in for heavy optimization and leave out the TO options. I'll PAO into a sarruhk for the Int, but not become Pun-Pun. I'll go RotD Web Enhancement Dragonwrought Kobold for the mental stats and immunities, but not Loredrake or Epic Feat abuse. I'll give my character a haversack full of 3,000,000d6 Explosive Runes bombs, but not use them unless the DM decides to be an utter dick.

Also, what about Polymorphing into an animal, wearing those +10 horseshoes, and finding some way to grab a Maximized/Empowered Awaken Animal?
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Re: Maxing a mental stat
« Reply #63 on: September 22, 2011, 10:17:27 PM »
The horseshoes can be used with UMD.

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Re: Maxing a mental stat
« Reply #64 on: September 22, 2011, 10:37:08 PM »
The horseshoes can be used with UMD.
But that doesn't work with Awaken spells.
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Re: Maxing a mental stat
« Reply #65 on: September 22, 2011, 10:38:31 PM »
What is this Horseshoe thing?

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Re: Maxing a mental stat
« Reply #66 on: September 22, 2011, 10:42:09 PM »
What is this Horseshoe thing?

Horseshoes of Flame; Savage Species; P57
+2 Dex, +10 Int, +6 Cha
All untyped
Other benefits as well.

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Re: Maxing a mental stat
« Reply #67 on: September 23, 2011, 12:17:17 AM »
What is this Horseshoe thing?

Horseshoes of Flame; Savage Species; P57
+2 Dex, +10 Int, +6 Cha
All untyped
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7 hours per use, three times per day, and turns you into a Nightmare, technically. Easily refluffed though, and the charges/day and duration aren't too much more expensive to make permanent.
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Re: Maxing a mental stat
« Reply #68 on: September 23, 2011, 02:19:53 AM »
I must have never read them

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Re: Maxing a mental stat
« Reply #69 on: September 23, 2011, 03:39:47 AM »
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Re: Maxing a mental stat
« Reply #70 on: September 23, 2011, 07:09:07 AM »
If the horseshoe fits...
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Re: Maxing a mental stat
« Reply #71 on: September 23, 2011, 07:44:48 PM »

Anthropomorphic Horses can't dress up like Cinderella's Step Mom can they ?

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Re: Maxing a mental stat
« Reply #72 on: September 24, 2011, 09:05:40 AM »

Anthropomorphic Horses can't dress up like Cinderella's Step Mom can they ?


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Some Permanent/instantaneous boosts to Wisdom
« Reply #73 on: October 02, 2011, 06:57:25 AM »
Some Permanent/instantaneous boosts to Wisdom

Manual of the Winding Way (Dungeon Magazine 117, pg. 78)
  • +1 Wisdom increase
  • Dodge / Mobility / Spring Attack / +2 Dexterity increase (you recieve first of these you don't yet have)
  • Blindsight 30 ft.

Fountains of Shrennil (Dungeon Magazine 116, pg. 91)
Greyhawk Setting
  • +2 sacred bonus to Wisdom
  • +1 sacred bonus to Fort and Will saves
  • character or campaign specific bonus (example given is a +4 sacred bonus on weapon damage rolls against devils)

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Re: Maxing a mental stat
« Reply #74 on: October 16, 2011, 09:28:46 PM »
a number of cursed items give +6 to stat for about 1500gp, they bonus flips to -6 if a specific condition is met. a canny player might manage to avoid being forced into said condition, and save gp for other boosts.
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Re: Maxing a mental stat
« Reply #75 on: October 17, 2011, 04:38:28 AM »
Manual of the Winding Way (Dungeon Magazine 117, pg. 78)
  • +1 Wisdom increase
  • Dodge / Mobility / Spring Attack / +2 Dexterity increase (you recieve first of these you don't yet have)
  • Blindsight 30 ft.
That second benefit is especially nice for people who have access to retraining and Psychic Reformation. Is there a price attached?
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Re: Maxing a mental stat
« Reply #76 on: October 17, 2011, 04:56:55 AM »
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