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One Strike, Two Cuts (Ex): At 8th level and above, an iaijutsu
master can make two attacks with a katana as a standard
action. This means she can strike twice and move in the same
round, or attack twice in the strike phase of an iaijutsu duel.

Now, I'm curious if that allows me to perform two strike type maneuvers as a single standard action as well.  It does say you can strike twice and move in the same round.
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Re: Iaijutsu Master One Strike, Two Cuts & Tome of Battle Strikes
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2011, 07:39:10 PM »
One Strike, Two Cuts (Ex): At 8th level and above, an iaijutsu
master can make two attacks with a katana as a standard
action. This means she can strike twice and move in the same
round, or attack twice in the strike phase of an iaijutsu duel.

Now, I'm curious if that allows me to perform two strike type maneuvers as a single standard action as well.  It does say you can strike twice and move in the same round.

One Strike, Two Cuts allows you to make two attacks with one standard action.  It does not give you two standard actions in order to make attacks with.
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Re: Iaijutsu Master One Strike, Two Cuts & Tome of Battle Strikes
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2011, 07:39:27 PM »
No, because it's a standard action that does two attacks.  You'd have to chose between spending your standard action on using One Strike, Two Cuts or using a standard action Maneuver.  It would work with boosts, of course.

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Re: Iaijutsu Master One Strike, Two Cuts & Tome of Battle Strikes
« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2011, 01:05:21 AM »
To chime in on overkill, yep it requires you to use a Standard Action and doing so gives you two attacks. A Strike requires a Standard Action to use, not an attack.

Boosts would work fine though, so will most Stances.
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Re: Iaijutsu Master One Strike, Two Cuts & Tome of Battle Strikes
« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2011, 04:04:30 AM »
It seems like Palm Throw class feature of the Master Thrower is worded differently enough that it might work with a single martial strike twice.

Any thoughts?

Edit: those mouth darts in the Oriental Adventures are worded similarly
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Re: Iaijutsu Master One Strike, Two Cuts & Tome of Battle Strikes
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2011, 07:56:52 AM »
Unfortunately Iajitsu Focus only works for melee, which sucks even if Palm throw worked.

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Re: Iaijutsu Master One Strike, Two Cuts & Tome of Battle Strikes
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2011, 12:06:44 PM »
If it were a melee attack, would it work?

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Re: Iaijutsu Master One Strike, Two Cuts & Tome of Battle Strikes
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2011, 12:17:15 PM »
Unfortunately Iajitsu Focus only works for melee, which sucks even if Palm throw worked.
The skill actually works for both ranged and melee attacks. You just have to draw a melee weapon before attacking with your ranged weapon.
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Re: Iaijutsu Master One Strike, Two Cuts & Tome of Battle Strikes
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2011, 12:45:30 PM »
Unfortunately Iajitsu Focus only works for melee, which sucks even if Palm throw worked.
The skill actually works for both ranged and melee attacks. You just have to draw a melee weapon before attacking with your ranged weapon.
Is that so? I need to figure out how to abuse that then.

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Re: Iaijutsu Master One Strike, Two Cuts & Tome of Battle Strikes
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2011, 04:29:21 PM »
Unfortunately Iajitsu Focus only works for melee, which sucks even if Palm throw worked.
The skill actually works for both ranged and melee attacks. You just have to draw a melee weapon before attacking with your ranged weapon.
Is that so? I need to figure out how to abuse that then.
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Re: Iaijutsu Master One Strike, Two Cuts & Tome of Battle Strikes
« Reply #10 on: June 23, 2011, 05:16:17 PM »
Unfortunately Iajitsu Focus only works for melee, which sucks even if Palm throw worked.
The skill actually works for both ranged and melee attacks. You just have to draw a melee weapon before attacking with your ranged weapon.
Is that so? I need to figure out how to abuse that then.
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Re: Iaijutsu Master One Strike, Two Cuts & Tome of Battle Strikes
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2011, 03:40:44 AM »
Can you draw a xbow bolt as your melee weapon?

If so, can you then drop it and draw another as a free action since its ammo?

Then could you Iaijutsu Focus multiple times a round?

Would it stack as an unnamed damage bonus to your attack?

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Re: Iaijutsu Master One Strike, Two Cuts & Tome of Battle Strikes
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2011, 11:10:04 PM »
First question: yes, Cross bow bolts count as improvised daggers in melee.

Considering I once had a samuri who carried 7 katanas (his father's his grandfathers' and his great-grandfathers') who combined quick draw with the fact the dropping a weapon was a free action to iaijutsu full attack his enemies thanks to his two weapon fighting skills, then the second question is yes, but a reasonable DM would make you get Quick Draw if that's your fighting style, the third question is a yes, assuming you have the weapons.

As for the fourth question, I believe it's an Iaijutsu damage bonus, since I remember one creature in OA who was immune to Iaijutsu damage.

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Re: Iaijutsu Master One Strike, Two Cuts & Tome of Battle Strikes
« Reply #13 on: July 03, 2011, 06:53:00 AM »
Can you draw a xbow bolt as your melee weapon?

If so, can you then drop it and draw another as a free action since its ammo?

Then could you Iaijutsu Focus multiple times a round?

Would it stack as an unnamed damage bonus to your attack?

Just use a Gnome Quickrazer. It will allow you to make multiple Iaijutsu focus strikes in a round with being as silly as trying to use ammo as a melee weapon.

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Re: Iaijutsu Master One Strike, Two Cuts & Tome of Battle Strikes
« Reply #14 on: July 03, 2011, 04:51:30 PM »
Unfortunately Iajitsu Focus only works for melee, which sucks even if Palm throw worked.
The skill actually works for both ranged and melee attacks. You just have to draw a melee weapon before attacking with your ranged weapon.
Is that so? I need to figure out how to abuse that then.
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Re: Iaijutsu Master One Strike, Two Cuts & Tome of Battle Strikes
« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2011, 07:04:52 AM »
Hmmm...I get that you can't use multiple strikes with One Strike, Two Cuts. Could one, however, use One Strike, Two Cuts during the resulting maneuver. So, for instance, could someone use One Strike, Two Cuts in conjunction with the Flashing Sun Maneuver to gain three attacks in a round at -2 each.
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Re: Iaijutsu Master One Strike, Two Cuts & Tome of Battle Strikes
« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2011, 10:54:40 AM »
Hmmm...I get that you can't use multiple strikes with One Strike, Two Cuts. Could one, however, use One Strike, Two Cuts during the resulting maneuver. So, for instance, could someone use One Strike, Two Cuts in conjunction with the Flashing Sun Maneuver to gain three attacks in a round at -2 each.

IIRC Flashing sun only applies on Full Attacks, so no, you wouldn't.
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Re: Iaijutsu Master One Strike, Two Cuts & Tome of Battle Strikes
« Reply #17 on: July 05, 2011, 03:21:16 PM »
I think he meant Tiger Strike's boosts. Probably.
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Re: Iaijutsu Master One Strike, Two Cuts & Tome of Battle Strikes
« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2011, 05:41:21 PM »
Hmmm...I get that you can't use multiple strikes with One Strike, Two Cuts. Could one, however, use One Strike, Two Cuts during the resulting maneuver. So, for instance, could someone use One Strike, Two Cuts in conjunction with the Flashing Sun Maneuver to gain three attacks in a round at -2 each.

IIRC Flashing sun only applies on Full Attacks, so no, you wouldn't.

No, you can use it for a standard attack. The Tiger Claw maneuvers came to mind, but these are boosts, so I would imagine there would be no problem in gaining those extra attacks in addition.
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Re: Iaijutsu Master One Strike, Two Cuts & Tome of Battle Strikes
« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2011, 09:53:03 PM »
The proper use of One Strike Two Cuts would be Flyby Attack: end your turn away from enemies in the air to avoid full attacks/charges while getting two attacks at Full BAB is pretty decent. Sadly, the Katana limitation means only one of those attacks is capable of Iajutsu Focus damage...

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