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Re: Wizard with fragile Phantom Steed
« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2011, 05:48:02 PM »
Landlord feat, and 48 different lyres of building (and someone to play it. And probably a 49th lyre, so you're sure not to have any single-round time gaps). It won't be that large, and it won't move that fast (88 feet per round, at the most), but it will be nearly indestructible.

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Re: Wizard with fragile Phantom Steed
« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2011, 06:41:27 PM »
That's why I make the mini tower via Haunt Shifting, and give it little legs (that normally just hold it on to the disk).  If it's dispelled, you do fall... but your little fort is still mobile and still protects you.

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Couldn't you just put the disk inside the fort (with supports above) to block line-of-effect for dispelling?

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Re: Wizard with fragile Phantom Steed
« Reply #22 on: August 01, 2011, 06:42:50 PM »
That's why I make the mini tower via Haunt Shifting, and give it little legs (that normally just hold it on to the disk).  If it's dispelled, you do fall... but your little fort is still mobile and still protects you.

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Couldn't you just put the disk inside the fort (with supports above) to block line-of-effect for dispelling?
Good idea... I'm going to go with that version... That way, the "tower" can be completely mundane, which means I can quickly and easily replace it if it is destroyed in combat. And even if it is, I'll still have my disk to ride around on.  :D
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Re: Wizard with fragile Phantom Steed
« Reply #23 on: August 01, 2011, 07:15:17 PM »
Don't forget to make it Dwarvencraft Quality and, if you're of sufficient level, cast Harden on it.  You can quickly make it nearly immune to damage.  Plus, if it gives serious cover you get a HUGE benefit to Reflex saves.

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Re: Wizard with fragile Phantom Steed
« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2011, 12:43:59 AM »
wizard rule #6: do not engage in direct warfare, get to the back stay down and do what your good at.
actually wizards 6th rule is The only sovereign you can allow to rule you is reason. I think you mean wizards 12th rule
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Re: Wizard with fragile Phantom Steed
« Reply #25 on: August 02, 2011, 12:45:05 AM »
wizard rule #6: do not engage in direct warfare, get to the back stay down and do what your good at.
actually wizards 6th rule is The only sovereign you can allow to rule you is reason. I think you mean wizards 12th rule
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Re: Wizard with fragile Phantom Steed
« Reply #26 on: August 02, 2011, 01:31:01 AM »
wizard rule #6: do not engage in direct warfare, get to the back stay down and do what your good at.
actually wizards 6th rule is The only sovereign you can allow to rule you is reason. I think you mean wizards 12th rule
[spoiler]Actually who read that series bast the 4th book? Seriously Goodkind?[/spoiler]

was speaking off the cuff, what books?

i only know one or two actual rules...

1. never give up CL increases
2. dont muck up #1
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Re: Wizard with fragile Phantom Steed
« Reply #27 on: August 02, 2011, 01:36:54 AM »
[spoiler]Masculine men like masculine things. Masculine men are masculine. Therefore, liking masculine men is masculine.

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Re: Wizard with fragile Phantom Steed
« Reply #28 on: August 02, 2011, 01:58:40 AM »
wizard rule #6: do not engage in direct warfare, get to the back stay down and do what your good at.
actually wizards 6th rule is The only sovereign you can allow to rule you is reason. I think you mean wizards 12th rule
[spoiler]Actually who read that series bast the 4th book? Seriously Goodkind?[/spoiler]
It actually got better in the last handful.
Have to disagree.  The last 2, 3, maybe, I finished out of sheer stubbornness.  Some of them in the middle were pretty brilliant, and the first one was quite nice, especially for a series kickoff, but this series pretty much came to define Gary Stu for me. 

And, I'm not even going to touch the hamfisted philosophy stuff ...

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Re: Wizard with fragile Phantom Steed
« Reply #29 on: August 02, 2011, 01:52:25 PM »
To be fair, attacking the steed is not a bad tactic. Any AoE attack could hit both the steed and the wizard at the same time.

That is precisely what happened in our last battle vs a wizard. Thanks to CL buffs, I'm using the Steed as my flight platform, so losing it is actually somewhat annoying in combat. I'm usiing it to overfly at 50-100 feet and rain destruction and BFC, but one good AoE on me, or one targetted effect on the steed, knocks me back to skulking behind the party.

Please, if I have overlooked a simple and obvious way to cast Phantom Steed as a 1-round action or less, mock me and enlighten me. :)
While it is easy enough to recast phantom steed it still requires a standard action to cast the spell and a move action to mount it... A phantom steed takes very few resources to kill but significantly cuts down on a wizard's maneuverability.

*blink* Phantom Steed casting takes TEN MINUTES. If it was a standard action re-cast we wouldn't be having this conversation.  :)
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Re: Wizard with fragile Phantom Steed
« Reply #30 on: August 02, 2011, 01:56:04 PM »
If you were a spell to power erudite we'd hardly be having this conversation. Just manifest it with Linked Power and you'd be done.

Otherwise, I suggest casting Overland Flight once you're able. In the meantime, make sure you have Alter Self and Levitate, and you can pick right back up where you left off, even if you're not *quite* as effective overall.
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Re: Wizard with fragile Phantom Steed
« Reply #31 on: August 02, 2011, 01:58:10 PM »
Otherwise, I suggest casting Overland Flight once you're able. In the meantime, make sure you have Alter Self and Levitate, and you can pick right back up where you left off, even if you're not *quite* as effective overall.
He could keep Overland Flight up just in case. Or get a Contingency of it, maybe.
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Re: Wizard with fragile Phantom Steed
« Reply #32 on: August 02, 2011, 02:05:09 PM »
Also don't forget Spider climb. Heck, you could always grab a pair of shadow hand gloves and take Martial Stance for dance of the spider.
[spoiler]Masculine men like masculine things. Masculine men are masculine. Therefore, liking masculine men is masculine.

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Re: Wizard with fragile Phantom Steed
« Reply #33 on: August 02, 2011, 02:15:18 PM »
wizard rule #6: do not engage in direct warfare, get to the back stay down and do what your good at.
actually wizards 6th rule is The only sovereign you can allow to rule you is reason. I think you mean wizards 12th rule
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It actually got better in the last handful.
I'll take that into consideration.
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Re: Wizard with fragile Phantom Steed
« Reply #34 on: August 02, 2011, 02:31:21 PM »
If you were a spell to power erudite we'd hardly be having this conversation. Just manifest it with Linked Power and you'd be done.

Otherwise, I suggest casting Overland Flight once you're able. In the meantime, make sure you have Alter Self and Levitate, and you can pick right back up where you left off, even if you're not *quite* as effective overall.

Yeah, last time it happened I picked right back up with Fly, but it sucks going from flight 240 and running circles around the other flying mount while casting, to flight 60 and barely keeping up while dodging. :P

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Re: Wizard with fragile Phantom Steed
« Reply #35 on: August 02, 2011, 02:35:54 PM »
It's odd that no-one has suggested the obvious.

The HP of Phantom steed is uncapped. Just be an Ultimate Magus/Master Spellthief/Sublime Chord and have your Caster Level buffed to one gazillion. Then your horsey will have more HP than you!
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Re: Wizard with fragile Phantom Steed
« Reply #36 on: August 02, 2011, 02:43:50 PM »
It's odd that no-one has suggested the obvious.

The HP of Phantom steed is uncapped. Just be an Ultimate Magus/Master Spellthief/Sublime Chord and have your Caster Level buffed to one gazillion. Then your horsey will have more HP than you!

*laugh* That could work. Sadly, I'm an Ultimate Magus/Focused Specialist/Knight of the Weave. The Steed just recently reached Flight and I was looking forward to all-day flying, and hadn't realized until I became an aerial target just how fragile the things are. I'm a level and a half from getting new feats, so I'm looking for long-duration spell-based or item-based protection for the steed, or obvious tricks I overlooked like the Invisible Spell suggestion. Is there anything in the way of steed items that will protect from random fireballs and cloudkills?  I may be looking into persisting Globe of Invulnerability...

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Re: Wizard with fragile Phantom Steed
« Reply #37 on: August 02, 2011, 02:53:07 PM »
Shield Other?

Or you could Polymorph/Metamorphosis it into something with high defenses.

Grab a psychoactive skin of proteus and go to town.
[spoiler]Masculine men like masculine things. Masculine men are masculine. Therefore, liking masculine men is masculine.

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Re: Wizard with fragile Phantom Steed
« Reply #38 on: August 02, 2011, 03:01:36 PM »
Shield Other?

Or you could Polymorph/Metamorphosis it into something with high defenses.

Grab a psychoactive skin of proteus and go to town.

That might work. I'll have to see if I can convince the DM that the Steeds movement/flight are supernatural and thus don't disappear when metamorphed...

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Re: Wizard with fragile Phantom Steed
« Reply #39 on: August 02, 2011, 05:50:07 PM »
Well you are almost there then, add one level of spellthief, one level of sublime chord and grab master spellthief. Badabing, now your steed is impervious to hit point damage, from having too many HP to care.
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