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Animal Companion-Cat,Small.
« on: May 29, 2011, 12:54:03 AM »
This thread is just to get some opinions.

The situation is Ranger Animal Companion. The Ranger wants a Lepord rather than a Cheetah, sprint of course doesn't really fit with a Lepord(AFAIK).

Would it be "balanced" to allow the Ranger to replace sprint with pounce
(which the Lepord has naturally, just not as an animal companion, like how wolves appearantly lose Low Light Vision during the ritual.)

My first thought is "no," after all pounce is a much more powerful ability than sprint.

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Re: Animal Companion-Cat,Small.
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2011, 02:59:08 AM »
It also seems that some animals just randomly lose some abilities.


For example:

Lepords lose pounce and rake

Wolves lose Low Light Vision(AFAIK they're the only animal companion not to have it).

I've brought this up on the Paizo boards as well, but so far not much help.

As a DM I'd probably rule it as every animal companion once they advance, gain the abilities they normally would have.

So a Lepord would start out as normal, small animal with scent and low-light vision, and then at 4th level advance to a medium animal and gain pounce and rake.

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Re: Animal Companion-Cat,Small.
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2011, 03:29:37 AM »
thoughts? its funny that the rangers wolf is supposed to be less good at hunting than a regular wild one, i guess all that time camping on the outskirts of town is bad for their eyes..

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Re: Animal Companion-Cat,Small.
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2011, 04:50:09 AM »
Appearantly it's a typo, but hasn't been correct in eratta and I can't seem to get a straight answer from the paizo boards. So far the responces have pretty much been "I don't know maybe" or better yet someone confusing themselves and getting too hung up on the creature's size, when the thread is discussing/questioning the seemingly random inclusion/exclusion of animal special abilities/qualities when converting them over to animal companions. Which was a big WTF?  ???

I'm starting to believe what some people have said about the paizo boards.  :(
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Re: Animal Companion-Cat,Small.
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2011, 07:18:48 AM »
I'm starting to believe what some people have said about the paizo boards.  :(

It's true sadly. Only thing Paizo boards are good for in my experience is some comic relief.

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Re: Animal Companion-Cat,Small.
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2011, 07:49:02 AM »
I think what I'm mostly decided to do is just give the animals companions the special abilities/qualities they'd normally have. So wolf still has Low Light vision.

In the case of the Lepord, he'd gain Pounce & Rake when he advances at 4th Druid/7th Ranger level.
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Re: Animal Companion-Cat,Small.
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2011, 09:05:36 AM »
Well, the low light vision is clearly an oversight, not so sure about the pounce(it is on the strong side if it comes with the rake)
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Re: Animal Companion-Cat,Small.
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2011, 09:23:39 AM »
Well both the Cheetah(who has sprint) and the Lepord(who has pounce&rake) have near identical stats and are CR 2.

Just seems easier to give the animals the special abilities/qualities that they'd actually have, rather than trying to fuse with the seemingly random inclusions/exclusions. After all, animal companions are still animals.
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Re: Animal Companion-Cat,Small.
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2011, 10:09:16 AM »
True, the main difference is combat power wise, but I doubt they were thinking so deeply about that.
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Re: Animal Companion-Cat,Small.
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2011, 11:20:52 AM »
Aye and I do realize that pounce is more powerful/useful than sprint.
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