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Re: Just Going to Put This Out There... PF/3.5 E6 or E8, for Fun
« Reply #80 on: May 10, 2011, 09:25:17 PM »
I would be interested in running an oracle, possibly in a mystic wanderer style that is granted power from one of the passion/music gods and might work as a traveling minstrel with odd quirks such as spouting off in tongues sometimes the word of her god.

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« Reply #81 on: May 11, 2011, 04:32:07 AM »
Because I'm being told that a few people want to come up with a concept, I'll give you the utmost basic of information to help.

The village is called Ardis. It's unfortified, and by the ocean (has a small port). It's main source of food and revenue is fish. The manor owns the only fishing boat that's rented out by the fishermen. There's an inn, a clinical house/hut, a church (multiple shrines, but no specific deity), the manor house (run by the bailiff Bandor and owned by the young noblemen of Balor, Reginald Balor). There is a tent city built outside the city limits set up by travelers, but only from Spring to Fall. There's a dwarf blacksmith, Allric Brunnling of Clan Gorin. There's also a trapper/guide (half-elf ranger) that everyone knows by the name of Bela, who takes the noblemen out for wild boar hunts every year. Finally there's the chief of the city guard, Lt. Ashten.

Lt. Ashten, Bandor, and Reginald all hail from the capital city, Abriel, which most have never visited. A majority of the commoners who have gone was some 30 years ago during the king's coronation ceremony and wedding to his queen. It was also the day that there was an attempt on the new king's life by an assassin that was never captured.

The city averages between 200-250 people depending on the time of the year, but sometimes gets up as high as 400 people during the annual Spring festival. The record is 500 people at the festival, but that was 10 years ago when there were still people who were capable of jousting.

About 85% of the population is human. Another 13% is a mix of elf, half-elf, gnome, dwarf, and halfling, and 2% miscellaneous.

Every house has a shed or small barn, regardless of stature. This can be used as your store/place of work, or as an actual barn. Each home has a loft up in the attic where you'd sleep. The average tax on each home is around 33 copper a month. You're responsible for utilities (lamp oil, etc) and food.

Classes and professions to consider are fighter (city guard), inquisitor (city guard or church), priest, paladin, or cleric (clergy at the church), locksmith (rogue), fisherman or sea tradesman (PF swashbuckler), herbalist and brew maker (wizard or alchemist), innkeeper, blacksmith, fish salter and smokehouse, net maker, manor house animal handler, veterinarian, mending seamstress, and map maker. Once the game got going, you'd probably be able to figure out what else the city would need.

Just to make note of it, this place experiences a lot of fog and rain near the coastline, but the winters are milder than farther in the country. As well, a lot of the people who belong to this village are likely to be serfs. They owe their allegiance and livelihood to the manor. They are all allowed to buy their freedom from him for a pound of silver, and then earn their own wages and pay taxes like everyone else, or stay on as serfs.
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Re: Just Going to Put This Out There... PF/3.5 E6 or E8, for Fun
« Reply #82 on: May 11, 2011, 07:12:28 AM »
Please consider me offically interested.  :D
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« Reply #83 on: May 11, 2011, 09:22:21 AM »
How about a Sea Singer bard, who's a sea tradesman?

My idea is that he is trying to set up a buisiness for a contact outside town, since they see potential in Ardis. It might be able to be used as a powerful trading hub. And with early interest from his guild, they could get the city on good terms. He's easily bored though, and willing to do almost anything to advance his trade house.
I'd like him to use a Rapier (Or perhaps a Heirloomed Elven Twin-blade, that has been in his family for generations), a Whip, and a Crossbow when at sea. But when on land he merely keeps a few daggers handy.
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Re: Just Going to Put This Out There... PF/3.5 E6 or E8, for Fun
« Reply #84 on: May 11, 2011, 10:30:34 AM »
New draft on the summoner backstory  ;)

Char's father (name to follow) performed some form of service for one of Reginald Balor's ancestors (doesn't necessarily need to be his father given how long elves live compared to humans) and was granted the use of a small estate outside Ardis (a house, some farmland and a few serfs, my idea was a family but feel free to adjust as fit). In exchange he owes the Balor family taxes (as much as you see fit) and service when called (whether a formal oath of obedience in person to the new landlord is needed or not is up to you; also the land belongs to the Balor family and could be repossessed at any time).

At the moment, several months after his father's death, my char has been spending most of his time in his library, studying arcane writings. The day to day running of the estate has been left in the hand of one of the servants(whether these are still serfs or they've bought their freedom and are granted the use of some farmland in exchange for lodging and working all of it it's up to you; I'm ok with either of these). While a capable farmhand, he's not a very good administrator, so the finances aren't looking too great atm.

Please feel free to adjust as you see fit, or, if it really doesn't fit with your campaign idea, let me know and I'll try and think about something else.

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Re: Just Going to Put This Out There... PF/3.5 E6 or E8, for Fun
« Reply #85 on: May 11, 2011, 10:36:57 AM »
How about a Sea Singer bard, who's a sea tradesman?
Well basically a sea tradesman is someone who travels by boat to different parts of the continent, or to other continents, with goods to sell.

A couple more ideas came up when I woke up this morning. A basket weaver, or cloth maker, and things of that sort.

@ LordBlades - Don't mind the concept, but I think it'll be more a "promise" that his family would get land, depending on how young you want your character to be. Maybe your character's father helped develop the town with Reggie's father, and your roots come from Abriel too. I haven't come up with the exact time Ardis came into being, but it'd only be about 30-40 years. It's still a small, developing little hamlet of a village. The first few years would have just been for the building of the homes, which takes about six months each, depending on their size.
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« Reply #86 on: May 11, 2011, 10:52:15 AM »
Please consider me offically interested.  :D

Provided of course that there are still spots open.
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« Reply #87 on: May 11, 2011, 10:53:43 AM »
Please consider me offically interested.  :D

Provided of course that there are still spots open.
There likely would be. Others have shown interest, but they've also got other games that they're in, and I don't yet know when we'd start due to the situation of the flood.
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Re: Just Going to Put This Out There... PF/3.5 E6 or E8, for Fun
« Reply #88 on: May 11, 2011, 11:25:50 AM »
I'm cool with the 'you'll get land promise'  ;) Will need some more details put into it (under what conditions would the land be granted and the like) but I'm cool with the idea

Sad thing is that there aren't many ways I could make a living as a mage at level one. Scribe Scroll isn't very good for a caster with 2 spells known, and ever other item creation feat requires CL 3 or higher.

How about this: My character's father helped found/build the town with Reginald's father and then, liking the surroundings, stayed as some sort of 'magical expert' on the city guard/landlord's service. Basically he'd be the guy whose expertise they would call in when they either were dealing with something unnatural or magical or just when they needed some spellcasting, job which my char inherited( I assume there aren't many spellcasters living here) . He also provides casting on demand services (customer's scrolls). What do you think?

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« Reply #89 on: May 11, 2011, 12:17:46 PM »
I'm cool with the 'you'll get land promise'  ;) Will need some more details put into it (under what conditions would the land be granted and the like) but I'm cool with the idea

Sad thing is that there aren't many ways I could make a living as a mage at level one. Scribe Scroll isn't very good for a caster with 2 spells known, and ever other item creation feat requires CL 3 or higher.

How about this: My character's father helped found/build the town with Reginald's father and then, liking the surroundings, stayed as some sort of 'magical expert' on the city guard/landlord's service. Basically he'd be the guy whose expertise they would call in when they either were dealing with something unnatural or magical or just when they needed some spellcasting, job which my char inherited( I assume there aren't many spellcasters living here) . He also provides casting on demand services (customer's scrolls). What do you think?
Anyone who's free automatically gets land, but they don't own it. If your character's father helped build up the town, he would be allowed a little more land than others would normally get, but the taxes would be such that they'd be more than the average person would have to pay. However, he would be given special privilege for time to pay. Kind of like that phone bill that you can put off for three months because you're a valued customer, but on that fourth month you're going to get that knock on the door.

I was thinking more along the lines of your father left you an inheritance of money and land to you, and it's what you've been living on until now that it's become all dried up, minus what you'd get at first level. During the Spring, you'd get a knock on the door saying that your taxes would be due, however, you don't know that you'd have enough. Because of who your father was, you'd be granted until the fall to pay in full as opposed to making a monthly payment.

About the only spellcasters that would be there would be anyone living in the church (divine), and Bandor (arcane).
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Re: Just Going to Put This Out There... PF/3.5 E6 or E8, for Fun
« Reply #90 on: May 11, 2011, 12:38:33 PM »

Anyone who's free automatically gets land, but they don't own it. If your character's father helped build up the town, he would be allowed a little more land than others would normally get, but the taxes would be such that they'd be more than the average person would have to pay. However, he would be given special privilege for time to pay. Kind of like that phone bill that you can put off for three months because you're a valued customer, but on that fourth month you're going to get that knock on the door.

I was thinking more along the lines of your father left you an inheritance of money and land to you, and it's what you've been living on until now that it's become all dried up, minus what you'd get at first level. During the Spring, you'd get a knock on the door saying that your taxes would be due, however, you don't know that you'd have enough. Because of who your father was, you'd be granted until the fall to pay in full as opposed to making a monthly payment.

About the only spellcasters that would be there would be anyone living in the church (divine), and Bandor (arcane).

That sounds cool actually ;) By land you mean farmland, right?

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Re: Just Going to Put This Out There... PF/3.5 E6 or E8, for Fun
« Reply #91 on: May 11, 2011, 03:13:38 PM »
If I played, which sounds unlikely given how many people are interested, I think I'd probably go with a rogue who spends days working in the locksmith's shop and nights working in the local tavern/inn. They would likely supplement any income from these jobs by picking the pockets of drunken customers (so they're less likely to notice :D)... possibly in the service of the barkeep, even, since it's easier to convince a drunk that his missing gold simply went toward more drink, thus why he can't find it.  ;)
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« Reply #92 on: May 11, 2011, 04:19:34 PM »
Dwarf "fighter" or halfling witch, most likely
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« Reply #93 on: May 11, 2011, 05:31:27 PM »
Not sure which character I'd play at this point. Right now open to filling gaps in party role.
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« Reply #94 on: May 11, 2011, 06:57:28 PM »
Dwarf "fighter" or halfling witch, most likely
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Re: Just Going to Put This Out There... PF/3.5 E6 or E8, for Fun
« Reply #95 on: May 11, 2011, 07:37:17 PM »
Depending on if it's E6 or E8, there are a few different characters that I'd like to play (Binders really goes better with E8, since they gain that very tasty second vestige to bind, Dread Necromancers really need that 8th level to actually be fun, etc), but there is one above all that is tickling my fancy right now. Elven Generalist Wizard 5/Mage of the Arcane Order 1. Ultimate all-round Wizard for the win. But I could do all the classical roles, really.
E8 is slightly better than E6 in my opinion, but I can work with both.
Still, not familiar with PF, so I shouldn't get my hopes up...

This page goes into a lot of detail on what's changed.

One thing about your Elven generalist is that in Pathfinder, there's even less of a reason to be a generalist (Universality) wizard. The benefits of being a generalist are kind of cruddy compared to specialist schools, but specializing doesn't bar you from casting schools of your 'prohibited' schools (actually 'Opposition schools' in PF)

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Arcane School: A wizard can choose to specialize in one school of magic, gaining additional spells and powers based on that school. This choice must be made at 1st level, and once made, it cannot be changed. A wizard that does not select a school receives the universalist school instead.

A wizard that chooses to specialize in one school of magic must select two other schools as his opposition schools, representing knowledge sacrificed in one area of arcane lore to gain mastery in another. A wizard who prepares spells from his opposition schools must use two spell slots of that level to prepare the spell

Which is actually pretty nice. You still have the option of learning and preparing those spells, it just uses up more of your resources (spell slots) to do so.
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I'm noticing a lot of interest in this game. As the first to respond, I'd love to play, but I'd hate to deprive other people of the chance to play. Though, I'm thinking of running my own PF game once I've got my life sorted out a little more, it just won't likely be E6/E8.

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But at the moment, I'm still a bit unsure. Also considering playing some kind of support character, not entirely sure what though. Maybe I'll try to rebuild my support cleric. But I'm unsure whether or not Channel Energy can be used to power Divine Metamagic. Going to be a bit hard with the entire Reach+Chain combo without any DMM to power it with. Not that I need that kind of power here and could just do a regular cleric. Or maybe something else. Dragon Shaman have auras also, maybe something like that.
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« Reply #96 on: May 12, 2011, 01:21:19 AM »
But at the moment, I'm still a bit unsure. Also considering playing some kind of support character, not entirely sure what though. Maybe I'll try to rebuild my support cleric. But I'm unsure whether or not Channel Energy can be used to power Divine Metamagic. Going to be a bit hard with the entire Reach+Chain combo without any DMM to power it with. Not that I need that kind of power here and could just do a regular cleric. Or maybe something else. Dragon Shaman have auras also, maybe something like that.
Hrrrm....
Really should figure out what to play, I really should.
I did however got a hold of the Core book for PF, that's going to help.
Even without the Core book, check out http://www.d20pfsrd.com/ and see if any of those base classes would interest you. DMM really isn't necessary with this. The amount of times you'd be in combat by comparison to regular D&D can't be compared. Not to mention DMM wouldn't work if you normally couldn't cast that spell with the metamagic normally. So no DMM Quicken spell.

@ LordBlades -- Not necessarily. In your case that would be what I mean, yes. It all depends on what you want to pay for taxes. The more land you have, the more profit you should be able to gain from it, and the more you have to pay.

@ VennDygrem -- You'd have to be very careful about the whole filching aspect for a character. Mostly because in a small town, everyone knows everyone by their full name, and even if you didn't get caught, chances are there'd at least be rumours about you. Now on the other hand, that secondary part about doing it on behalf of someone else could work. Like someone who hasn't been paying up their side of the bill, or is notorious for not paying, and you have a little bit of a side commission to make sure no one skips out. Especially travelers from tent town who look overly seedy.
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Re: Just Going to Put This Out There... PF/3.5 E6 or E8, for Fun
« Reply #97 on: May 12, 2011, 01:42:21 AM »
@ VennDygrem -- You'd have to be very careful about the whole filching aspect for a character. Mostly because in a small town, everyone knows everyone by their full name, and even if you didn't get caught, chances are there'd at least be rumours about you. Now on the other hand, that secondary part about doing it on behalf of someone else could work. Like someone who hasn't been paying up their side of the bill, or is notorious for not paying, and you have a little bit of a side commission to make sure no one skips out. Especially travelers from tent town who look overly seedy.

Hmm, I'm actually seeing some development, here. The character's gotten caught one too many times in the act, and to make amends and seriously repair their reputation and standing, are put to the task of using their skills to uphold the peace/law rather than disturb it.

On the other hand, I'm also a big fan of the alchemist class. :)

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« Reply #98 on: May 12, 2011, 01:48:12 AM »
Just to let everyone know, there are basic laws to be followed in this world. There are two main punishments if you commit something against the hierarchy. 1) You live out the rest of your days in the quarry, or 2) you're publicly executed and beheaded. Each city has their own justice that can be carried out, and yes you could end up losing a hand, have your tongue removed, or get branded. If any of these happens, you'll gain a Character Drawback, and lose four skill ranks from something to compensate.
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« Reply #99 on: May 12, 2011, 02:30:24 AM »
So, I'm getting the sense that it is not a good idea to play a rogue the way one traditionally plays a rogue.
In any case, I'm thinking Alchemist might be better to go with. They fit with E6 fairly well since there are official feats for gaining extra discoveries and extra bombs per day, meaning that there are decent ways to build the character past level 6. I can't say mutagen really fits in a medieval setting very well, but it's really not any worse than wizards and sorcerers and witches with spellcasting. Worse came to worst, it could probably be replaced with something to complement the other class features.