@Giacomo's Responses to my Responses to ... I am going to be blunt. This kind of analysis annoys me. It is simply untrue or ignoring inconvenient facts, so I call shenanigans. You can't acknowledge that the build has mobility problems, and then assume that you not only get to automatically surprise a monster (1 w/ Tremorsense, no less), but then are in perfect position to Full Attack it. Here's an excerpt:
You also can't admit than an ability is handy highly situationally -- to get out of Forcecages once per day at 12th level -- and then at the same time trot it out as a nice class feature or a reason to stick w/ monk for several levels. Those aren't exactly contradictory, but they are pretty incompatible.
But, I want to focus on the quote above. It's not that I doubt that this build, or several others, can take out some CR appropriate creatures under the exact right set up of circumstances. That doesn't tell me how the build operates in normal gameplay, and is entirely too masturbatory to be of any use. It smacks of being underhanded and just trying to pump up your build rather than admitting potential flaws. I think it's obvious from my posts that I've put a little bit of effort into considering things, and that also I don't expect a single build to be real ultimate powah! But, I am going to expect something closer to sober thinking about it.
Also, your numbers are totally off -- you don't get a full attack on the surprise round, even if this Monk character were, conveniently standing next to them. So, it's really 4 attacks even w/ a surprise round, and therefore only 4 Fort saves, assuming you're using Decisive Strike, which you should be and is a standard part of the attack routine. That's off by a factor or 2, which smacks of chicanery to try and make the build look better.
Listen, I've done exactly as you've asked -- I have given you several posts that were a decent, I think fair read of the build and its abilities. Instead of actual or consistent replies, you've responded like a
politician. Your responses clearly have assumed the conclusion -- that this build is awesome -- and you seem quite willing to resort to shenanigans and manipulation to prove the point. If that's your approach, then I frankly have no reason to exchange w/ you. I am happy to discuss and I am happy to be proven wrong (well, maybe not happy, but I'm used to it by now). But, there's a reason I don't go to a used car salesman for advice about cars.
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Giacomo, the thing is, YOU don't get that most of your builds are no good, and if they are, they still aren't good enough. Also, simply stating "You are wrong, but you won't admit it, because I said it and I'm hated here, so I'm right" does not, in fact, make you right.
Well, neither does saying that I say people are wrong, but they won't admit it because I said it and I'm hated here, so I'm right, make me automatically wrong. We could go on forever like this.
Instead, I'll aim to do some more builds. Maybe at one point or another, more people will get convinced.
- Giacomo
proves the point (the bolded portion). Impervious to any comments, fair or unfair, you are going to bravely soldier on and tell everyone else that they are wrong. Even if ImperatorK was being indelicate, he has a point. If you want people like me to actually look at your stuff, comment, and think about it, you are going to have to at least convey the impression that you might actually be listening to us rather than just doing your best to deconstruct anything we are going to say on a matter of principle. I don't need you to spread the Glorious Word of the Monk to me till the scales fall from my eyes.
@Manifester ArrowsI think they are incredibly cheesy and have never even played in a game where they are allowed. But, I feel like we've had this discussion on BG like 10 times already. If you need to do something as creative or cheesy (depending on your perspective) as this then we know that the psywarrior's limited power pool is an issue for many builds. The class doesn't need perfect to still be good.