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Kelemvorite priest
« on: April 30, 2011, 07:09:21 PM »
Making a paladin or (cloistered) cleric of Kelemvor. Looking to go into either Doomguide (if cleric) or using the Eternal Order substitution levels. Stats wise, want a 13-14 in Int, everything else is open. Probably Lesser Aasimar for race.

Backstory is that she was raised in a temple of Oghma before becoming one of Kelemvor's faithful.

The campaign will feature heavy use of the undead, starts at level 1. Most books open.

Suggestions for start (such as which class)? For paths to take as game progresses? Anything that might be changed?

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Re: Kelemvorite priest
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2011, 07:40:32 PM »
not sure what handbook to recommend, but i know we have one for it.
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Re: Kelemvorite priest
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2011, 07:58:24 PM »
I'm assuming you're talking about the Doomguide in Faiths and Pantheons.  If so, then definitely pick up DMM and Divine Spell Power and dip something to get a second turning pool (like Death Delver).  At that point, using those three bonus feats for Extra Turning as well as the Extra Turning it takes to enter the class will net you 38 + 2*cha turn/rebuke undead attempts to power DMM.  Probably talking about 6 persistent spells here.

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Re: Kelemvorite priest
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2011, 08:31:35 PM »
not sure what handbook to recommend, but i know we have one for it.
I've been looking into the Paladin handbook (over on the Wizards forums)and like most of it. The 3.5 Cleric handbook here seems mainly geared towards regular, which I'm not sure yet whether I'll go with or not, and has no advice for one interested in the Doomguide PrC.

I'm assuming you're talking about the Doomguide in Faiths and Pantheons.  If so, then definitely pick up DMM and Divine Spell Power and dip something to get a second turning pool (like Death Delver).  At that point, using those three bonus feats for Extra Turning as well as the Extra Turning it takes to enter the class will net you 38 + 2*cha turn/rebuke undead attempts to power DMM.  Probably talking about 6 persistent spells here.
Yes. It's one of two possibilities I'm leaning towards (the other being going as a paladin). What/where is Death Delver? Also, keeping in mind the extensive number of undead planned, is it a good idea to spend a bunch of my turns on metamagic? Especially with 2-3 (depending on whether I can find a free way to get Bastard Sword proficiency or dip fighter for Great Fortitude) feats already taken?

The rest of the party has not been decided, but there will be only four players, so whichever class I choose, I'll have to be solid in it's role. Cleric can go either Tank/Melee Damage Dealer or Primary Caster, Paladin as... Tank? Which would you suggest? What stats would be needed? Is Lesser Aasimar more useful than human, if I'm gonna need more feats for DMM? Would it make more sense for a Cloistered Cleric or regular cleric focused on DMM?

I've been somewhat leaning towards her as a Paladin. What PrCs might be available/useful for a Paladin Undead hunter?

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Re: Kelemvorite priest
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2011, 12:35:00 AM »
Planetouched races and qualified humanoids with the Otherwordly feat are Outsider (native), and thus have martial weapons proficiency via Type.

A level in Radiant Servant will grant martial weapons proficiency as well, although the lore matches with Lathandar in FR.

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Re: Kelemvorite priest
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2011, 02:33:18 AM »
How'zbout a Cruader from Tome of Battle?  Ask your DM about reflavoring Ruby Knight Vindicator so Cruader1/Cloistered Cleric4/Ruby Knight VindicatorX works spiffily.  If you can wait 'til L5 for Crusader, you can get L2 maneuvers.
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Re: Kelemvorite priest
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2011, 10:52:16 AM »
Planetouched races and qualified humanoids with the Otherwordly feat are Outsider (native), and thus have martial weapons proficiency via Type.

A level in Radiant Servant will grant martial weapons proficiency as well, although the lore matches with Lathandar in FR.
Lesser Planetouched, however, I don't believe do. At least the PGtF version. The SS progression race would be Outsider, so probably would. But Bastard Sword is Exotic, so no help anyway if I'm leaning towards Doomguide.

As for Radiant Servant, I could check with the DM, but I have a feeling it wouldn't really fit Kelemvor.

How'zbout a Cruader from Tome of Battle?  Ask your DM about reflavoring Ruby Knight Vindicator so Cruader1/Cloistered Cleric4/Ruby Knight VindicatorX works spiffily.  If you can wait 'til L5 for Crusader, you can get L2 maneuvers.
Hmm, an interesting possibility, but it will run into multi-class penalties unless I switch to human. Is the level in Crusader necessary, rather than just picking up the feats for the martial maneuver/stance? After looking over Ruby Knight Vindicator, I do kind of like this idea.


Again, any thoughts on starting point. If I go for Ruby Knight, what stats will I need? If I go for Ruby Knight?
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Re: Kelemvorite priest
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2011, 12:31:25 AM »
Depends how you want to use the Bastard Sword, 1-hand, or 2-hand.

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Re: Kelemvorite priest
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2011, 01:14:26 AM »
If you could get your hands on a Sun Blade, short sword proficiency works just as well.

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Re: Kelemvorite priest
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2011, 07:07:03 PM »
How about Knight of the Raven from Expedition to Castle Ravenloft?
Good 10 level PrC, useful against Undead and can easily be reflavored to fit FR/Kelemvor.

A dip into Church Inquisitor(IIRC Level 2) could also come in handy, if you're up against Vampires or other Undead with Mind Control Abilities.
Also gets Detect Evil at will, without needing to be a Paladin.

If you choose Paladin, I'd strongly consider adding Grey Guard from Complete Scoundrel, just to broaden your options.

Complete Champion does have some good Stuff for you, especially check out Law & Travel Devotion if Cleric, or Awesome Smite & Battle Blessing if Paladin.

Sidenote: Anything, that enhances healing spells also enhances damage dealt to Undead. Making Augment Healing comparable to Weapon Specialisation :smirk

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Re: Kelemvorite priest
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2011, 07:30:22 PM »
Depends how you want to use the Bastard Sword, 1-hand, or 2-hand.
Ah. Completely forgot about that.

If you could get your hands on a Sun Blade, short sword proficiency works just as well.
Except that she needs Bastard Sword proficiency for Doomguide...

How about Knight of the Raven from Expedition to Castle Ravenloft?
Good 10 level PrC, useful against Undead and can easily be reflavored to fit FR/Kelemvor.
Unfortunately I don't have that book.

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A dip into Church Inquisitor(IIRC Level 2) could also come in handy, if you're up against Vampires or other Undead with Mind Control Abilities.
Also gets Detect Evil at will, without needing to be a Paladin.
Unfortunately, Kelemvor is LN, not LG.

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If you choose Paladin, I'd strongly consider adding Grey Guard from Complete Scoundrel, just to broaden your options.
Aye, I know of it. I'm not sure such options will come up much. The DM banned evil alignment because he doesn't think they'd want to save the world. I don't suspect many chances for paladin falling will come up.

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Complete Champion does have some good Stuff for you, especially check out Law & Travel Devotion if Cleric, or Awesome Smite & Battle Blessing if Paladin.
Indeed. I really want to pick up Battle Blessing if I go pally. The cleric will probably pick up Repose domain, but I might grab travel or law devotion for the other.

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Sidenote: Anything, that enhances healing spells also enhances damage dealt to Undead. Making Augment Healing comparable to Weapon Specialisation :smirk
Interesting. Assuming I hit with healing spells more than weapons of course. But a good thought. Will keep in mind.

A question for the crusader possibility. Thinking of grabbing Vital Recovery from ToB. Heal 3+level HP whenever I recover a manuever. For a Crusader that's every round. Is that a fair amount of healing to reduce healing strain.

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Re: Kelemvorite priest
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2011, 08:03:24 PM »
Other potential feat options

Planar Touchstone: War Domain
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Re: Kelemvorite priest
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2011, 09:39:37 AM »
@Church Inquisitor:
There are Lawful good Kelemvor Clerics?
There are Kelemvor Paladins?
Then there is a LG part to the church of Kelemvor, which means you qualify for the PrC.
A reasonable DM won't think twice about it, tough mine needed a bit of time to digest my reasoning :D
I played a Cleric/CI of Hoar, who is also LN but does have LG Followers and "revenge, retribution, poetic justice" for his portfolio.

Wasn't there a Feat called "Heretic of the Faith", that would allow getting a domain, your god didn't offer normally?
Taking that for War domain would allow a Kelemvorite to enter Ordained Champion.
It loses out on Spellprogression, but makes up for it with 1 additional Domain, Channel Spell(like a Duskblade, but holds charge on a miss) and "Smite anything, not just evil".