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Re: That Overpowered Exotic Weapon from the PHB
« Reply #80 on: May 05, 2011, 05:15:44 PM »
hehe, intelligent items don't play well with other intelligent items per the DMG.  It would be comical to watch them fight over you...
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Re: That Overpowered Exotic Weapon from the PHB
« Reply #81 on: May 05, 2011, 06:08:52 PM »
You would not really be playing an independent character, ti would be more like playing a political committee. Which could be fun.

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Re: That Overpowered Exotic Weapon from the PHB
« Reply #82 on: May 05, 2011, 10:46:55 PM »
Since these are easily cheap enough for most folks to craft themselves, you could have a bunch of intelligent items all with the same goal of your choosing (an obvious purpose might be "help its owner rise to power" or something).  Then at least everyone's on the same page, even if some of the items have different ideas about how things ought to be done (which might be REALLY funny to play).  And some of those dedicated powers are amazing... including True Resurrection 1/month (costs just 4kgp on a Shuriken!), Mass Inflict Light Wounds at will (Amazing for a Necromancer), Dimensional Door at will (note the item casts it, so you can full attack and then it teleports you), and a straight up +2 luck bonus on attacks, saves, and checks (including Initiative!). 

Be aware that the more powerful an item is, the stronger its ego, so you'll want a strong will save or at least one of your items will randomly get to control you once in a while (any time there's a personality conflict, so make items that won't conflict!).  If it mostly wants to do what you want that's not the worst thing in the world and could be really entertaining, but it could get annoying eventually.

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Re: That Overpowered Exotic Weapon from the PHB
« Reply #83 on: May 05, 2011, 11:06:34 PM »
The most broken, at least for non psionics, is clearly Morphing.  That enchantment lets you switch the Shuriken into any other similar weapon (here meaning a light weapon of the appropriate size).  Basically, it turns into a +1 enchantment that reduces all enchanting and materials cost for a weapon to 1/50th normal.  A pair of Feycraft Life Drinker Lifestealing Keen Aptitude +5 Morphing Abyssal Bloodiron Kukris for around 8kgp?  Sure, go nuts.  And people thought TWF had problems with weapon cost.  Or just make a bunch of +5 Morphing Keen Returning Shuriken of Distance, turn them into daggers, and don't worry about wealth at all as a Master Thrower.

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I am totally adding that to my handbook.

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Re: That Overpowered Exotic Weapon from the PHB
« Reply #84 on: May 05, 2011, 11:23:40 PM »
Well, you could make them all have YOUR personality....
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Re: That Overpowered Exotic Weapon from the PHB
« Reply #85 on: May 05, 2011, 11:46:19 PM »
Well, you could make them all have YOUR personality....

Which would have the interesting perk that if you ever got mentally dominated and started acting out of character, all your gear would be like "oh hells no" and puppet you around until that got handled.

Though I do wonder, if you're immune to mind effecting, should you be immune to the ego stuff?  You'd still want to stick with what the items want since they control their powers, but I wonder if you could get controlled...

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Re: That Overpowered Exotic Weapon from the PHB
« Reply #86 on: May 06, 2011, 01:44:40 AM »
Well, you could make them all have YOUR personality....

Which would have the interesting perk that if you ever got mentally dominated and started acting out of character, all your gear would be like "oh hells no" and puppet you around until that got handled.

*chuckle* that produced a vivid mental picture. ^^
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Re: That Overpowered Exotic Weapon from the PHB
« Reply #87 on: May 06, 2011, 07:01:56 PM »
Well, you could make them all have YOUR personality....

Which would have the interesting perk that if you ever got mentally dominated and started acting out of character, all your gear would be like "oh hells no" and puppet you around until that got handled.

Though I do wonder, if you're immune to mind effecting, should you be immune to the ego stuff?  You'd still want to stick with what the items want since they control their powers, but I wonder if you could get controlled...

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I wouldn't think immunity would help. After all, the telepathy stuff is from an intelligent object, which is immune to mind-affecting as well. So if immunity nixed it on either end, you wouldn't have ego-contests in the first place, right?
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Re: That Overpowered Exotic Weapon from the PHB
« Reply #88 on: May 06, 2011, 08:44:47 PM »
Not sure, honestly.  The ego control thing is never actually stated to be mind effecting, even though it obviously should be... but the same is true of telepathy too.

The contest of egos things only happens when your personalities clash, so as long as the intelligent items had your exact goals you'd be okay.  If however there was character development and your personality changed, you could be in some degree of trouble as your gear wouldn't like the new you.

It's a great way to enforce your personality not changing though, which should help deal with mind control and such.

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Re: That Overpowered Exotic Weapon from the PHB
« Reply #89 on: May 07, 2011, 02:01:04 AM »
"Unit Prime has been compromised. The Consensus will take control until such time as Unit Prime has resumed nominal functionality."
The mind transcends the body.
It's also a little cold because of that.
Please get it a blanket.

I wish I could read your mind,
I can barely read mine.

"Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. At 2:15, it begins rolling up characters."

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"Just what do you think the moon up in the sky is? Everyone sees that big, round shiny thing and thinks there must be something round up there, right? That's just silly. The truth is much more awesome than that. You can almost never see the real Moon, and its appearance is death to humans. You can only see the Moon when it's reflected in things. And the things it reflects in, like water or glass, can all be broken, right? Since the moon you see in the sky is just being reflected in the heavens, if you tear open the heavens it's easy to break it~"
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Re: That Overpowered Exotic Weapon from the PHB
« Reply #90 on: May 07, 2011, 04:34:50 PM »
mix in a bit of paranoia....



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Re: That Overpowered Exotic Weapon from the PHB
« Reply #91 on: May 07, 2011, 04:40:05 PM »
mix in a bit of paranoia....



"are you happy, unit prime?"
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Re: That Overpowered Exotic Weapon from the PHB
« Reply #92 on: May 07, 2011, 05:05:51 PM »
Well, you could make them all have YOUR personality....

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Re: That Overpowered Exotic Weapon from the PHB
« Reply #93 on: May 07, 2011, 05:06:31 PM »
Well, you could make them all have YOUR personality....
So, twins?

Kinky.
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Re: That Overpowered Exotic Weapon from the PHB
« Reply #94 on: May 07, 2011, 05:10:21 PM »

For people saying to BUY a single enchanted piece of AMMO... I refer you back to my post of a couple of pages ago:  the other Forty Nine pieces of ammo are on the market somewhere. 

If you're buying one for cheap, what makes you think that any reasonably intelligent enemy won't?


The other 49 pieces are not a problem. It doesn't matter.
Neither is whether Intelligent enemies (ought to) buy the same thing.

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Re: That Overpowered Exotic Weapon from the PHB
« Reply #95 on: May 07, 2011, 05:11:12 PM »
Well, you could make them all have YOUR personality....
So, twins?

Kinky.


... of a different Mother.

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Re: That Overpowered Exotic Weapon from the PHB
« Reply #96 on: May 07, 2011, 05:28:25 PM »
Well, you could make them all have YOUR personality....
So, twins?

Kinky.


... of a different Mother.

Well if you're the one making them then you count as the parent so that's even worse.

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Re: That Overpowered Exotic Weapon from the PHB
« Reply #97 on: May 07, 2011, 05:42:12 PM »
 :debate


... so I'm "dad" of both of me ?
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Re: That Overpowered Exotic Weapon from the PHB
« Reply #98 on: May 07, 2011, 05:49:52 PM »
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... so I'm "dad" of both of me ?
What, is that Fraternal Hermaphro-shurike-ditism ...

When your friends call you 'buddy' they really mean it, then.
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Re: That Overpowered Exotic Weapon from the PHB
« Reply #99 on: May 07, 2011, 09:02:56 PM »
The intelligent item thing requires a rule stating that adding intelligence to an item (or with one already intelligent) counts as a 'weapon enhancement'.

Is there such a rule?
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