Firstly, apologies for not responding sooner. Between finals week and move out keeping work hell and the flu keeping me sick, I was distracted.
I see that part of my position's defense was already done for me, by zook's finding of a quote I could not remember where to locate.
For mobs:
Although mobs are treated as one creature
other than common sense, which, again, I completely agree with if we are to allow that. I don't know how I can be clearer about this. There is absolutely nothing in the mob rules stating that a mob is treated as multiple creatures for all other purposes. Again, there is
nothing. Show me a quote.[/quote]
I think, perhaps that I understand where the disparity between our views lies.
To you, the phrasing "Although mobs are treated as one creature, it sometimes becomes necessary to determine the fate of a specific individual caught up in the mob. If a mob is dispersed..." to be necessarily linked. That "If a mob is dispersed" is the only instance it "becomes necessary to determine the fate of a specified individual." To me, they are not necessarily linked and "If a mob is dispersed" is only one of the times it "sometimes becomes necessary to determine the fate of a specified individual." Everything must be either a time it is "treated as one creature" or a time it "becomes necessary to determine the fate of a specific individual caught up in the mob." Times for each are listed in the template. One list must be an exhaustive list of all possibilities of that list, the other not, because there is no other list of times for the mob. Meaning that for one of the lists, there are other instances, including all times not specifically called out in the template's rules. That "sometimes" is huge. Sometimes implies there is another time than the one immediately listed. Meaning it is not the only item on it's list. Meaning there are other times it "becomes necessary to determine the fate of a specified individual."
There are no other rules except for those in the mob template for when it
is treated as one creature, yet those same rules implies that there are times other than the one it lists that they aren't treated as one creature. So the exhaustive list must be "treated as one creature."