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The greatest monk build ever!
« on: April 25, 2011, 07:02:46 PM »
Behold, the monk as built by a real optimizer, a character that will put even the best efforts of Sir Giacomo to shame!

THE ULTIMATE MONK OF ULTIMATE DESTINY!

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Human Expert 20
Stats: STR: 10 DEX: 10 CON: 10 INT: 20 WIS: 20 CHA: 10

Feats:
Skill Focus: Concentration
Skill Focus: Autohypnosis
Skill Focus: Craft (Manuscript)
Skill Focus: Knowledge (Religion)
Skill Focus: Knowledge (History)
Skill Focus: Knowledge (Local)
Skill Focus: Decipher Script
Skill Focus: Appraise

Skills:
Appraise
Autohypnosis
Concentration
Craft: Manuscript
Decipher Script
Gather Information
Knowledge: History
Knowledge: Local
Knowledge: Religion
Speak Language
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Truly, does this monk not best convey the concept, nay, the very reality, of a monk?

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Re: The greatest monk build ever!
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2011, 07:08:30 PM »
Dude, is this some kind of a personal vendetta? I know that Giacomo can be annoying, but aren't you exaggerating a bit?
I'm starting to think that our Giacomo is you, Solo.
« Last Edit: April 25, 2011, 08:12:19 PM by AleksanderTheGreat »
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Optimizing is the antithesis of roleplaying because it takes focus away from the important parts of the game.
I'm inclined to disagree. People work hard on there characters, there personality, back ground, appearance, so forth. No one wants there character that they have invested time, energy, thought, and probably emotion in to be killed because they didn't take strong enough feats or skills or spells or what have you.

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Re: The greatest monk build ever!
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2011, 07:10:50 PM »
Dude, is this some kind of a personal vendetta? I know that Giacomo can be annoying, but aren't you exaggerating a bit?
I'm starting to think that our Giacomo is you, Solo.
I'm flattered.
Where are the cross-class ranks in Use Magic Device?
You simple fool! Those listed skills were only the ones the Expert class would choose as his class skills. Obviously, the Expert is free to cross class into UMD to his heart's content after purchasing a few ranks of Speak Language for Latin, French, and other important languages.

Now, the argument could be made for taking UMD instead of Speak Language and simply cross classing into the latter to save on skill points, but that would negate the very point of putting cross class skill points into UMD, which we all know is the monk's true source of power.
« Last Edit: April 25, 2011, 07:13:27 PM by Solo »

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Re: The greatest monk build ever!
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2011, 07:12:40 PM »
I suggest Murky-Eyed and Noncombatant for the flaws.

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Re: The greatest monk build ever!
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2011, 07:15:03 PM »
I don't know if the designers meant you to take Skill Focus for every feat.

Sounds a little OP.
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Re: The greatest monk build ever!
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2011, 07:16:33 PM »
Sigh  :(

- Giacomo

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Re: The greatest monk build ever!
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2011, 07:16:47 PM »
I don't know if the designers meant you to take Skill Focus for every feat.

Sounds a little OP.
It's not like he took Skill Focus (Basketweaving), so it's not all that bad.

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Re: The greatest monk build ever!
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2011, 07:18:24 PM »
Sigh  :(

- Giacomo
Come on... you can do better than that!  ;)

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Re: The greatest monk build ever!
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2011, 07:18:49 PM »
Instead of trolling, can you improve the monk class, make it something that the boards would be proud of?

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Re: The greatest monk build ever!
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2011, 07:20:20 PM »
You mean, something like the Swordsage but what fights unarmed and stuff?
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Re: The greatest monk build ever!
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2011, 07:26:53 PM »
You mean, something like the Swordsage but what fights unarmed and stuff?
Why would you want to nerf monks.
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Re: The greatest monk build ever!
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2011, 07:32:23 PM »
You mean, something like the Swordsage but what fights unarmed and stuff?

exactly! oh wait, there's already an unarmed swordsage variant.  Hmm. What can you do then? I guess go back to reminding the boards about something that was funny a long time ago.  Like charlie sheen.

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Re: The greatest monk build ever!
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2011, 07:35:27 PM »
Grasshopper, my time of glory has passed. Perhaps it is time for you to step up and astound the world with your accomplishments?

It would be rather sad, after all, if the one criticizing a has-been turned out to be a never-was.

Now if you will excuse me, I have to go put the hooker in the closet.
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Re: The greatest monk build ever!
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2011, 07:36:47 PM »
Let's use the quirks of the monk to our advantage. Namely, that a monk's body counts as a manufactured weapon.

Let's add some weapon enhancements!
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Re: The greatest monk build ever!
« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2011, 07:43:40 PM »
Let's use the quirks of the monk to our advantage. Namely, that a monk's body counts as a manufactured weapon.

Let's add some weapon enhancements!
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Re: The greatest monk build ever!
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2011, 07:44:43 PM »
Let's use the quirks of the monk to our advantage. Namely, that a monk's body counts as a manufactured weapon.

Let's add some weapon enhancements!
Question is: Can you wield your head with both hands to get 1 1/2 Strength modifier to head butt damage?

And then uber charge with it? Think about pounce. Now add 4 feet of hair. And perhaps a guitar for cosmetic purposes.

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Re: The greatest monk build ever!
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2011, 08:39:23 PM »
Let's use the quirks of the monk to our advantage. Namely, that a monk's body counts as a manufactured weapon.

Let's add some weapon enhancements!
A FOP possesses a monk; can you add enhancements in this manner?

If we get to +8 we can add everdancing...
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Re: The greatest monk build ever!
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2011, 08:42:55 PM »
Let's use the quirks of the monk to our advantage. Namely, that a monk's body counts as a manufactured weapon.

Let's add some weapon enhancements!

Is that an alchemical weapon capsule in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me? ;)

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Re: The greatest monk build ever!
« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2011, 01:45:42 AM »
Instead of trolling, can you improve the monk class, make it something that the boards would be proud of?
Like The DDO Monk?

Let's use the quirks of the monk to our advantage. Namely, that a monk's body counts as a manufactured weapon.

Let's add some weapon enhancements!
A FOP possesses a monk; can you add enhancements in this manner?

If we get to +8 we can add everdancing...
Well there is a hangup of weather or not a monk's body is masterwork quality. Necklace of Natural Weapons(SS) lets you add named enhancements to natural weapons so you can still try for the everdancing.

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[spoiler]Tiers break down into who has spellcasting more than anything else due to spells being better than anything else in the game.
6: Skill based. Commoner, Expert, Samurai.
5: Mundane warrior. Barbarian, Fighter, Monk.
4: Partial casters. Adapt, Hexblade, Paladin, Ranger, Spelltheif.
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Re: The greatest monk build ever!
« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2011, 05:14:49 AM »
Let's use the quirks of the monk to our advantage. Namely, that a monk's body counts as a manufactured weapon.

Let's add some weapon enhancements!

Hmmmm.... this would require some liberal rules interpretations, but if we're treating the monk's body as a manufactured weapon for all purposes...

You could get a doctor (Or perhaps a personal trainer :)) to turn your body into a masterwork weapon (costing the normal 150 gp, of course). That same doctor/trainer could then (at the same time), make the body out of a special material.

Imagine it: Human monk, masterwork adamantine body! (Look out, it's wolverine!). Or, if your DM has likes dismemberment, an Aurorum body. And you could make your body feycraft for free weapon finesse.