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Ragitsu

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Incest
« on: May 07, 2008, 06:35:58 AM »
Has anyone here ran a game with or played a PC that was in an incestuous relationship with another PC or NPC and if so, how did it turn out?  ???

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Re: Incest
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2008, 07:47:47 AM »
Incest is one of the ultimate Taboos.  Even jaded 21st century people get wiggly when it comes to incest.

Here are some of the Classic Incest tropes:

Oedipus - Oedipus is a supposed orphan who later marries his mother.  She was one hot MILF.  But the point is that upon discovering that he has been boneing his mother he gouges his own eyes out. 

Alexander the Great – There is actually not significant proof that Olympia seduced her own son but it makes a cool idea.  This is a powerful priestess who manipulates and controls her own son.

Caligula – C man was obsessed with his own sister.  So when he became the ultimate power in the land he decided that boning his own sister was cool.  Ok maybe he didn't but he was actually accused of it.  And the things he certainly did were pretty wild. 

Egypt – Pharaohs are living gods and as such only their own siblings are godly enough to marry. 

Electra – Contrary to popular belief Electra did not actually have sex with her father.  She just got her brother to kill their mother because their mother killed their father.  According the Freud, girls think their fathers are gods because they have penis envy.  And you thought Feud was nuts, that seems perfectly reasonable.

Japan – It is considered perfectly reasonable for Japanese mothers to give their sons “hand release.”  Keeping all that semen inside can lead to crazy things, like masturbation. 

I have done Oedipus and Egypt as GM.  Also Zekes character impregnated his fiancées mother.  That's pretty close.

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Re: Incest
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2008, 10:40:15 AM »
Egypt – Pharaohs are living gods and as such only their own siblings are godly enough to marry. 
That's a view I've not heard, I was taught it was to keep the 'pharaoh-ship' within the family blood line. The reasoning being that one can never be certain that a child is yours if you are male but are absolutely positive if you are female, thus the bloodline would be assured if you married your sister.
Now while not socially acceptable in today's society I can see it being used as an excuse in a 'backwater' fantasy setting, e.g. the prince consolidating his family's power.

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I second watching Profit and not just for research purposes, it was a very cool series.
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Re: Incest
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2008, 12:17:30 AM »


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Re: Incest
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2008, 06:00:56 AM »
Egypt – Pharaohs are living gods and as such only their own siblings are godly enough to marry.
That's a view I've not heard, I was taught it was to keep the 'pharaoh-ship' within the family blood line. The reasoning being that one can never be certain that a child is yours if you are male but are absolutely positive if you are female, thus the bloodline would be assured if you married your sister.
Now while not socially acceptable in today's society I can see it being used as an excuse in a 'backwater' fantasy setting, e.g. the prince consolidating his family's power.

I am not sure that the reason is actually known, just that it was done.  I remember it because it was part of the plot of some really bad fantasy novel I read in Jr High.
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Re: Incest
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2008, 06:38:27 AM »
Interestingly enough, I had a character who unknowingly was Having a relationship with is Mother, who was also a Lich. it got weird then he gouged out his own eyes.

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Re: Incest
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2008, 12:53:28 AM »
I don't know entirely what you mean by "how did it turn out?" - I mean, I guess it would depend on the setting, etc. I play in a game stretching across several universes where one of my characters is currently nailing his (twin) sister, and where they come from, this is perfectly normal and acceptable, considering problems like babies have been eliminated. When people say it's horrible and gross, he just doesn't get why, because in his culture, the taboo does not exist.

It really depends on the culture and the circumstances of the relationship, I think, as to how it would turn out. Some cultures would be totally okay with it; some... well, yeah/

(note: I don't condone incest even though I play a character who does it!)

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Re: Incest
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2008, 03:39:53 AM »
One of the characters I'm playing at the moment has a crush on his big sister. See, he died and was pulled out of the afterlife by her - but in the same instance, he lost his memory, so by the time he started thinking of her as "my sister" instead of "the amazing woman who saved my life through force of will alone, and by the way is outrageously attractive" he was kind of stuck with it. He later recovered parts of his memory (a long story) and got into a relationship with a different character, but he's still kind of hung up on her. It doesn't seem that anything will ever come of it, but since the guy he's in a relationship with is fairly polyamorous and also likes said sister, well... I'm glad that he's undead and can't make kids, is all I'm thinking ^^;

I had a 2E character who, by accident of fate, wound up falling for his own son. Long story... the son was a Baldur's Gate II character who knew only that his father had raped his mother, though he was unaware that he was a Bhaalspawn. He eventually found out that my character, whom he had assumed was his father - because, you know, he was a guy - and therefore hated, was actually his mother, whom he loved and mourned. The moral of this story is probably to never give a confused bisexual sorceror access to "alter self". It turned out with an uneasy understanding between them, but nothing physical, excepting the sorceror's fantasies.

I once had a d20 Modern character with a somewhat tragic background, in which she saved her younger sister from ongoing sexual abuse by their father (by killing him with a crowbar... she was that kind of character). This led to a somewhat sweet but very awkward situation where my character was forced to desert her sister, after realising the younger sister had in turn fallen for her. Listening to Sarah McLachlan inspires some weird lesbian love triangles. It turned out in a "melancholy but for the best" sort of situation; the younger sister, unable to find my character, had to learn to make her own way (and became a songwriter, because I like in-jokes). I think they met up again some time in the future.

There was also an older character had a brief crush on a character she later found out was her mum, but that one never had any chance to go anywhere on account of her mum was already into her boss/commanding officer. Come to think of it, the amount of times that other characters have wound up in relationships with my character's mother is slightly disturbing. I guess I have hot mums :p
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Re: Incest
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2008, 04:38:25 AM »
Leto II the God Emperor married his own sister. 

Here is a question: If you have sex with your clone is that incest or masturbation? 
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Re: Incest
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2008, 08:57:31 AM »
Incest. Your clone is not you.
A better question: someone in my local gaming group recently played a character that had two bodies, but one mind and one soul between them. Which is that?

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Re: Incest
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2008, 09:00:41 AM »
Incest. Your clone is not you.
A better question: someone in my local gaming group recently played a character that had two bodies, but one mind and one soul between them. Which is that?
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Re: Incest
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2008, 09:50:47 AM »
Incest. Your clone is not you.
A better question: someone in my local gaming group recently played a character that had two bodies, but one mind and one soul between them. Which is that?
It depends what you define "oneself" as. If you define the self as the consciousness, it would be masturbation (and it likely would be since they would perceive and think of the same reactions as the partner since they share the same mind). If you strictly mean bodily self, then it would be incest.

I would tend to see it as masturbation though since both bodies are belonging to the one character.
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Re: Incest
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2008, 10:04:27 AM »
Incest. Your clone is not you.
A better question: someone in my local gaming group recently played a character that had two bodies, but one mind and one soul between them. Which is that?

Probably assisted masturbation at best.... :smirk
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Re: Incest
« Reply #13 on: May 20, 2008, 03:16:19 PM »
DOn't forget that the taboo of incest is one thing EVERY society has in common, the only thing they don't have inc ommon is what exactly constitutes incest.

In some society's  it's pretty ok to bone your sister, in others, it's not.  Most societies agree that it's wrong to bone your mother and so on.  So basically, every place you go, it's wrong to screw at least one member of your family.

Btw, Jaime Lannister boned his twin sister a lot before figuring out she was one crazy bitch and dumping her.  If you wanted reference.

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Re: Incest
« Reply #14 on: May 20, 2008, 06:43:42 PM »
I got a hot sister  8) too bad I didn't inherit any of it and got stuck with the  :teach
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Re: Incest
« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2008, 08:10:21 PM »
I got a hot sister  8) too bad I didn't inherit any of it and got stuck with the  :teach

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Re: Incest
« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2008, 08:26:24 PM »
European royalty until recent times was basically one big incestious family. So incest could be possible in a campaign where all the royalty was somehow related to each other and the rule was that royalty could only marry other royalty.

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Re: Incest
« Reply #17 on: May 21, 2008, 08:38:53 AM »
I got a hot sister  8) too bad I didn't inherit any of it and got stuck with the  :teach

Pics or it didn't happen.
I know, I'll try to dig up a nice picture somewhere when I get home again, which will be in 36 hours or so.... have fun fantisysing until then ;)
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Re: Incest
« Reply #18 on: May 21, 2008, 02:20:48 PM »
I got a hot sister  8) too bad I didn't inherit any of it and got stuck with the  :teach

Pics or it didn't happen.
I know, I'll try to dig up a nice picture somewhere when I get home again, which will be in 36 hours or so.... have fun fantisysing until then ;)

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Re: Incest
« Reply #19 on: May 21, 2008, 11:08:29 PM »
Oh, we will fantasize...  :smirk
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