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Re: Ask a Simple Question 24: We Can Work It Night By Night
« Reply #640 on: May 01, 2011, 04:21:21 AM »
Detect Thoughts only requires you to make Concentration checks if your concentration is disrupted, like any other spell or effect. The duration of Concentration just means that you need to spend a standard action to maintain it every round and that you can lose concentration on it from being damage (and similar conditions) at any time, rather than just when you are casting it. Here's the relevant information about Concentration durations.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 24: We Can Work It Night By Night
« Reply #641 on: May 01, 2011, 04:34:32 AM »
I guess then the most obvious choice would be the Medallion of Thoughts, then.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 24: We Can Work It Night By Night
« Reply #642 on: May 01, 2011, 05:12:40 AM »
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 24: We Can Work It Night By Night
« Reply #643 on: May 01, 2011, 09:52:57 AM »
Q 210 How Defence Bonus and Armour as Reduction affect the game? (I whant use both)
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/adventuring/defenseBonus.htm
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I've run several games that used both variants, and depending on whether you do full stacking or partial, it greatly changes the game in some regards. People tend to either wear no armor, or the heaviest armor they can find early on, but later on the DR just doesn't do a whole lot of anything against most ECL appropriate foes unless you keep the PCs fighting medium-sized humanoids (aka, mooks). For casters, it doesn't change a thing. For "fighter types", it encourages them to take off armor later on for mobility purposes.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 24: We Can Work It Night By Night
« Reply #644 on: May 01, 2011, 10:03:57 AM »
I was afraid that Wizard/Sorcerer/Psion will loose a lot because Touch spell are affected by Defense Bonus.
armour to Damage Reduction i plant to use in full. So Chain shirt will give only DR 4 and Full plate will give a DR 8 no bonus to AC.
A Low Lvl start of campaign witch lot of magic. (lvl 2-3 at the start)
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[spoiler]It bears saying: if up against a logic-impervious DM who thinks Core is balanced and Psionics*  isn't, then the most powerful way to disprove that is to play a C.o.D. (Cleric or Druid). Noncore material will not be necessary unless you are going for pure overkill (Draconic Wildshape? Divine Metamagic?). So by all means, if you must win that argument, take you C.o.D. to town. Annihilate the opposition. Make the NPCs and other players scream "Oh no, it's C.o.D.zilla!!!!!" in badly dubbed English. Breathe radioactive fire. Knock down buildings. Then stomp out of the burning Tokyo that is the ruins of the game and swim off into the ocean, seeking a DM with some basic cognitive functions. [/profile]

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Re: Ask a Simple Question 24: We Can Work It Night By Night
« Reply #645 on: May 01, 2011, 10:08:26 AM »
I was afraid that Wizard/Sorcerer/Psion will loose a lot because Touch spell are affected by Defense Bonus.
armour to Damage Reduction i plant to use in full. So Chain shirt will give only DR 4 and Full plate will give a DR 8 no bonus to AC.
A Low Lvl start of campaign witch lot of magic. (lvl 2-3 at the start)
Keep in mind that makes most smaller weapons, and almost all light weapons, defeated by Chain shirt, and Full plate essentially makes the character immune to anything other than the heaviest damage from weapons at low levels before high strength bonuses and power attack really take off. You'll have to heavily tweak the encounters the PCs go up against to either include higher damage foes, lots of spells, or accept the fact that for any fight involving mooks they won't have any fear of their targets since they cannot be meaningfully damaged compared to normal.

edit: And casters could stand to lose a little bit with a hit to touch ACs. Just saying.
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They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 24: We Can Work It Night By Night
« Reply #646 on: May 01, 2011, 11:26:12 AM »
You correct but World thet I put them is something close to 15 century of our world in Technology. And Full plate of that time was exactly this powerful.
Short sword is d6 so it have chance to penetrate Chain Shirt DR 4 lower Chances to Penetrate Chain mail or BReastplate DR 5 And now chances witch Full plate DR 8
Two Handed Axe in the other hand have d12 so for him Brestplaite are not so dificult and Full plate will protect only to sertent point.

That is only Armour to Redection... Add to that Defence Bonus... 1 lvl Warrior witch Chainmail have DR 5/- and 16 AC at least. 18 if he have Big Shield. 20 if have tower Shield. And Touch AC is Equal to normal... Because Defense Bonus is Dodge bonus to AC... sor Shooting someone witch Acid Arrow of Melf get harder.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 24: We Can Work It Night By Night
« Reply #647 on: May 01, 2011, 12:38:07 PM »
something to consider is to allow a critical to ignore the dr of the armor, instead of bonus damage. chink in the armor idea.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 24: We Can Work It Night By Night
« Reply #648 on: May 01, 2011, 12:44:39 PM »
something to consider is to allow a critical to ignore the dr of the armor, instead of bonus damage. chink in the armor idea.
I've also done that, made stealthy crit-happy characters rather effective with their smaller damage die weapons without having to sink all their levels into rogue for sneak attack pumpage.
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A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.

Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY!
They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
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Seven for the Barbarian-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Monks doomed to die,
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 24: We Can Work It Night By Night
« Reply #649 on: May 01, 2011, 12:54:31 PM »
i was trying to get an idea for an chain tripper when i stumbled upon dancing chains in the book of vile darkness. i was wondering, can these 30 foot chains make attacks of oppertunity?

if so i was thinkin to make it a wizard/cleric with a few ranks of mystic thurge  think i can make this within the first 5 levels?

im takin human for the extra feat and easy multiclassin

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Re: Ask a Simple Question 24: We Can Work It Night By Night
« Reply #650 on: May 01, 2011, 01:02:42 PM »
I whant use that Critics and Sneak attack Bouth bybass reduction and deal extra Damage ;]
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 24: We Can Work It Night By Night
« Reply #651 on: May 01, 2011, 01:04:47 PM »
Q 212 My character's getting into a lot of trouble by talking. Short of having this tongue ripped out and getting a lobotomy, what ways are there to make a low-level character a permanent mute (both in speech and in thought)? If it's homebrew, I'll have to put it passed my DM, which may or may not be a 50/50 shot.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 24: We Can Work It Night By Night
« Reply #652 on: May 01, 2011, 01:05:38 PM »
Q195: Is an unconscious or sleeping person/creature considered willing for spells that specify willing targets?  (I'm almost sure I've read they cannot be unwilling, but does that equal willing?)

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Re: Ask a Simple Question 24: We Can Work It Night By Night
« Reply #653 on: May 01, 2011, 01:10:07 PM »
As a note about Armour as DR and Defense Bonus - I find they really enhanced the games I was using them in.  Players that wanted to play swashbucklers for a long time really could without having crappy AC (high AC is the most swashbucklerish trope in DnD) and guys in full plate totally ignoring little hits was a hell of a lot cooler than just having decent AC.

I've never really used basic shitty mooks as threats, instead as distractions, so it was perfect for my encounter style.  But.  There are things mooks can do to players that have nothing to do with damage that still screw them over.  Tripping them, Grappling them, Bullrushing them (especially into pits - hard to Climb in full plate if you're not heavily invested in it, at level 1-3, especially a surface designed to be hard to climb), smearing them with grease, trying to set them alight... etc.  I also ruled (dunno how this works normally) that if you have someone Pinned in a grapple, someone else can coup-de-grace them.  Nothing as terrifying for a player as having their full plate fighter held down by four commoners while a fifth advances on him with dagger and stabs it through the eye-slit, even if it doesn't kill them right away.

After I described that scene, he blew through all his action points and bennies against the grapple check from the commoner (other three were using Aid Another), got free, disarmed the commoner with the dagger and rammed it through his eye.  Later, he described to another character how terrifying it was being held down like that as they tried to kill him, and actively got better at grappling, to the point that he took Improved Grapple a bit later on.  That was a great game.

EDIT:  If you make sneak attacks bypass the DR, that makes sneak attacks a lot more powerful.  A lot more, at lower levels.  Might want to consider whether you want to do that, but mneh.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question 24: We Can Work It Night By Night
« Reply #654 on: May 01, 2011, 01:24:06 PM »
Rejakor and this is exactly what I whant ;)
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 24: We Can Work It Night By Night
« Reply #655 on: May 01, 2011, 02:45:57 PM »
Q213: Is it even possible to cast the Flesh Ripper spell from BoVD? It has both the Fiend and Undead components, so I guess you have to be both an Outsider and Undead at the same time to cast it?

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Re: Ask a Simple Question 24: We Can Work It Night By Night
« Reply #656 on: May 01, 2011, 03:02:37 PM »
Q213: Is it even possible to cast the Flesh Ripper spell from BoVD? It has both the Fiend and Undead components, so I guess you have to be both an Outsider and Undead at the same time to cast it?
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 24: We Can Work It Night By Night
« Reply #657 on: May 01, 2011, 03:07:02 PM »
Q213: Is it even possible to cast the Flesh Ripper spell from BoVD? It has both the Fiend and Undead components, so I guess you have to be both an Outsider and Undead at the same time to cast it?
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 24: We Can Work It Night By Night
« Reply #658 on: May 01, 2011, 03:10:14 PM »
Q213: Is it even possible to cast the Flesh Ripper spell from BoVD? It has both the Fiend and Undead components, so I guess you have to be both an Outsider and Undead at the same time to cast it?
Lichfiend template in Libris Mortis.
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I think, though, that in a case like that, you would have to meet just one of the racial requirements.  You have to be a fiend OR an Undead to cast the spell.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 24: We Can Work It Night By Night
« Reply #659 on: May 01, 2011, 05:24:20 PM »
Q213: Isn't there a way to easily gain the fire or acid subtype without SS rituals? I thought I remember a way to swap the ice subtype for one, but I'm a bit hazy on it. Hopefully it will ring a bell with someone else.
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