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Army of undead
« on: March 30, 2011, 04:33:48 PM »
I would like to make a character who's very good at controlling, creating and commanding undead. The character believes he can redeem to souls of evil people by raising them as undead and forcing them to do good deeds.

Books allowed: PHB, PHB2, DMG, MM, all Complete and Races books, Spell Compendium, MIC, with the possibility of small additions from other books

Level: 21
Wealth: Let's say 200k (yes, I know that's very low)
Alignment: Neutral or Chaotic Good, but let's assume I convince the DM to let me Rebuke Undead as a cleric.
Attributes: 80 point buy, with points bought one-for-one, starting at zero (an 18 costs 18 points).
Feats: Normal for the class, plus three bonus non-epic feats.

I figure I can accumulate undead in a few ways:
- Epic Leadership will get me a high-level cohort and a good sized army.
- Rebuke Undead and a ton of charisma will let me add more as we go.
- Various wizard and cleric spells can let me create new undead.
- Thrallherd could also work, but we already have one of those in the party.
- Legendary Commander would help, but I doubt I can start with a kingdom of my own.

I obviously need a high charisma, and I'll probably need a high wisdom. I'd also kind of like a high intelligence for Epic Spellcasting.

What's the best way to do this within the allowed books? What classes or PrCs should I be looking at? There's a lot to be said for straight cleric, but is that the best way to go?

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Re: Army of undead
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2011, 04:44:59 PM »
If you're able to get Heroes of Horror allowed, dread necromancer is the perfect class for this.

You're into epic, so no matter what you do you need epic spellcasting.
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Re: Army of undead
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2011, 05:15:38 PM »
Would it be worth considering Mystic Theurge, to get some sorcerer or wizard levels in there?

Level 22: Sorcerer4/Cleric6/MT12 - Level 9 cleric spells, level 7 sorcerer spells. Better leadership.
Level 22: Wizard3/Cleric6/MT12 - Level 9 cleric spells, level 8 wizard spells. Better spellcraft and spells.

Or is the loss of epic feats too much of a problem? (MT only gets a feat every 6 levels).

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Re: Army of undead
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2011, 05:18:21 PM »
dread necro's spells are arcane but a limited (but good) list. their main benefit is they have no cap on the the undead they control through their creation method. alot of cleric spells dealing with undead will be using the [evil] descriptor which even as a neutral cleric may irk your dm unless youre using [good] spells as well

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Re: Army of undead
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2011, 05:34:35 PM »
OOOR mix Cleric and Dread necromancer and mystic thurge.

I also like cleric into walker of the waste for dry lich.

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Re: Army of undead
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2011, 05:35:14 PM »
A straight level 20 dread necro has great undead controlling potential indeed.

A straight Dread Necro 20:Total HD of controllable Undead at level 20
Assume a starting charisma of 18           18
Increase at 4,8,12,16, and 20                23
Cloak of Charisma +6                           29
Tome of Charisma +5                           34
Total Charisma Score                         =34
Total Charisma Modifier                     =+12

Max Controllable HD: (4+12)*20=320HD!
Max HD with Rod of Undead Mastery: 640HD!

If you can't find something useful to do with 640HD worth of undead then you aren't playing a necromancer right.
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Re: Army of undead
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2011, 05:47:55 PM »
Create an Epic Spell that lets you raise any creature that falls on ground within 10miles of you as a free action, as a ghost under your control. That is just the sillyness of epic spells.
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Re: Army of undead
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2011, 12:43:27 AM »
Is there an epic progression for anima mage?

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Re: Army of undead
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2011, 10:19:19 AM »
Far as I know there is no official one, but it should be hard to make. Just continue with the free metamagic, binding and casting and toss in an epic bonus feat every fourth level.

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Re: Army of undead
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2011, 12:15:35 PM »
Hmm, would a True Necromancer finally be useful?

You can't obtain epic spells until the 23rd level and the TN would grant dual 9th at that point.
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Re: Army of undead
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2011, 07:28:45 PM »
How come can't a Dread Necromancer get epic spells at level 21?

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Re: Army of undead
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2011, 10:39:47 PM »
How come can't a Dread Necromancer get epic spells at level 21?
Because in all likely hood I don't fully pay attention to epic rules.
Normal feat progression applies: 1, 3, 6, 9, 12, 15, 18, 21, 24, 27, etc. which I missed. I was thinking level 23 for some reason but that turned out to be for bonus feats. TN remains craptastic for a bit longer.
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3: Focused casters. Bard, Beguiler, Dread Necromancer, Martial Adapts, Warmage.
2: Full casters. Favored Soul, Psion, Sorcerer, Wu Jen.
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Re: Army of undead
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2011, 01:01:44 PM »
Alright, that explains it.

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