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Re: Will Team Evil always win?
« Reply #60 on: March 30, 2011, 06:00:55 PM »

Age matters? Cause I know a lot of geezers who're proof age doesn't wisdom   ;)
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Re: Will Team Evil always win?
« Reply #61 on: March 30, 2011, 06:02:54 PM »

Age matters? Cause I know a lot of geezers who're proof age doesn't wisdom   ;)
or grammar  ;)

Indeed  :embarrassed  ;)

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Re: Will Team Evil always win?
« Reply #62 on: March 30, 2011, 06:12:45 PM »

Age matters? Cause I know a lot of geezers who're proof age doesn't wisdom   ;)

The +3 to mental stats and time to gain XP helps, yes.
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Re: Will Team Evil always win?
« Reply #63 on: March 30, 2011, 07:01:23 PM »
Generally Team Good wins, since staying on Team Evil requires you to aspire to such a level of internal backstabbing as to thwart any and all efforts at cohesive action.  Chaotic Good guys aren't in the middle of an unending bloody war against Lawful Good guys. 

What you call "unending bloody war", team evil calls "mutual benefit agreement".

You know how team Lawfull Evil came to being? There needed to be someone to fight the hordes of the abyss. But fighting the hordes of the abyss isn't pretty. And foolish mortals were always doing stuff that further fueled the chaotic evil. The deities of good needed someone to do the dirty work of fighting the endless demon hordes and punishing mortals so they wouldn't do stuff like open sealed portals.

Asmodeus was that man. He promised to fight CE for all eternity.

In return, his personal inviolable plain where no good deity can touch him and all the LE souls he can corrupt.

So what if they have to kill some demons now and then? There's endless of them! And devils do need training for building up your armageddon army.

Thus, there's no backstabbing at all. There's culling of the weak and war training of both evil sides,  while LE enjoys from complete diplomatic immunity from heavens.

All the while the forces of good get softer and softer. Or corrupted. Celestials fall every day. How many infernals you know that suddenly repent and become do-gooders? :smirk


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Re: Will Team Evil always win?
« Reply #64 on: March 30, 2011, 07:29:29 PM »
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and even though he won WWII (by palling around with the second worst mass murderer in history and allowing communist spies to advise him at Yalta). I don't think anyone who knows the history would call FDR 'Good' beyond an excellent politician.
How would you have won World War 2?
By joining the league of nations after WWI and keeping France and friends from completely disenfranchising the German populace.
That easy, eh? I'm sure France would have just put aside the huge grudge they had against Germany and listened to your words of wisdom as you preached forgiveness and etc. Very reasonable people, the French.
Yes, very reasonable people.  The reasoning would have been the same as how most everything else happened in the League of Nations: "We saved your ass in WWI, and we can kick your ass, too!  Leave the Germans the fuck alone!"

That's actually the stated reason why Germany left the League of Nations before WWII: they couldn't kick anyone's ass.  Not even the French.

As for how things would have turned out if Germany didn't initiate WWII in Europe, Europe probably would have been mostly stable.  Japan wouldn't have had an ally in WWII and, therefore, would have probably just invaded China (and nobody else would have cared) before figuring that there's really nobody else they can conquer easily, and Russia probably wouldn't have started anything because they were, for the most part, isolationists that didn't give a crap.

Yeah Stalin was a real non-aggressive isolationist dude. He wouldn't ever think of attacking any countries.
Except for perhaps Finland, and Poland, which he did invade. And then the other countries he could have invaded in case he didn't have to worry about a ton of Germans stealing his oil.
Oh, and yeah Japan would have no-where big to invade, except all the Islands, China and then probably India or Korea. Then they could probably conquer Australia, since the commonwealth wouldn't be able to support them against the engine of war that was Japan at that moment.

All the while the forces of good get softer and softer. Or corrupted. Celestials fall every day. How many infernals you know that suddenly repent and become do-gooders? :smirk
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Re: Will Team Evil always win?
« Reply #65 on: March 30, 2011, 07:59:46 PM »

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Re: Will Team Evil always win?
« Reply #66 on: March 30, 2011, 08:57:55 PM »
MoI has the good alignment only Incandescent Champion PrC.
The level 4 ability can do the Psycarnum Metamagic trick,
but with CHA setting the metamagic cap.
Innate Spell added 1 per day = cheesy good.
You don't need the higher slot, so it works with all your spells.


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Re: Will Team Evil always win?
« Reply #67 on: March 30, 2011, 09:00:16 PM »
I'd like to perhaps cite an example of just how incredible evil can be when portrayed with intelligence, charisma and most importantly, patience.



This guy, this dude right here took over an entire galaxy by himself. He abused democracy, faith and all the fears that laid dormant in the hearts of good men. He instilled dark hope in the hopeless, he brought a smile to the downtrodden, he acted as a father-figure to those without. Sure he had to wait a long time (a very, very long time) but it secured him one hell of a victory. 

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Re: Will Team Evil always win?
« Reply #68 on: March 30, 2011, 09:01:44 PM »
Didn't he get thrown off of a railing?

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Re: Will Team Evil always win?
« Reply #69 on: March 30, 2011, 09:03:03 PM »
Is that a picture of the pope?
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Re: Will Team Evil always win?
« Reply #70 on: March 30, 2011, 09:29:24 PM »
Didn't he get thrown off of a railing?

No ... or Not yet.
That doesn't happen until much much later.
And now that all his various "thralls" know about it,
it won't actually happen.
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Re: Will Team Evil always win?
« Reply #71 on: March 30, 2011, 09:35:46 PM »
Didn't he get thrown off of a railing?

Yeah, but when we do it we make sure to memorize flight and featherfall. Problem solved.
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Re: Will Team Evil always win?
« Reply #72 on: March 30, 2011, 09:41:40 PM »
Worth remembering that he did come back as a clone.

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Re: Will Team Evil always win?
« Reply #73 on: March 30, 2011, 09:44:32 PM »
And what happened to that clone?

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Re: Will Team Evil always win?
« Reply #74 on: March 30, 2011, 10:10:06 PM »
And what happened to that clone?
He died, was cloned again, and died again.

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Re: Will Team Evil always win?
« Reply #75 on: March 30, 2011, 10:20:57 PM »
He certainly was a persistent bastard.

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« Reply #76 on: March 30, 2011, 10:21:48 PM »
He certainly was a persistent bastard.
Just be glad he wasn't a wizzard.
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Re: Will Team Evil always win?
« Reply #77 on: March 30, 2011, 10:56:17 PM »
And what happened to that clone?
He died, was cloned again, and died again.
Lol Manshoon?
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Re: Will Team Evil always win?
« Reply #78 on: March 30, 2011, 11:55:38 PM »

And what happened to that clone?
He died, was cloned again, and died again.
Then he tried to possess a baby before his soul was absorbed into am paraplegic jedi who held his soul down till they both died.

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Re: Will Team Evil always win?
« Reply #79 on: March 31, 2011, 12:22:27 AM »
All the while the forces of good get softer and softer. Or corrupted. Celestials fall every day. How many infernals you know that suddenly repent and become do-gooders? :smirk
Several, actually.  Celestials don't fall all that often, either, and when they do they never retain their [good] subtype.  Which means that good guys have some dudes who can use [evil] mechanics if they really cared about it

And even if I played in that (incredibly stupid) campaign setting, I wouldn't trust what are explicitly described as the fiends' accounts of their history.  Anything that wasn't a complete lie would be outright propoganda.
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