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geniussavant

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Re: Exalted Psionist, Plz Help
« Reply #40 on: March 20, 2011, 06:31:47 PM »
For race, I just want something that isn't a common race. All to often I tend to get bored with your standard dwarf/human/elf. In fact, I normally play some sort of elemental/environmental variant even when I play a 'standard' race, for now, I'm looking at Aleithian Dwarves as they give +2s to con and int with a -4 cha along with a few other things, not to mention fulfilling my non-standard tastes.

I was just going back over your build excerpt, and you might benefit from a dip into master specialist as, IIRC, they get spell focus for free.
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Re: Exalted Psionist, Plz Help
« Reply #41 on: March 20, 2011, 06:34:23 PM »
If you're going Metacreation for your focus, a dragonborn warforged is totally awesome. You keep most of your racial stuff, and it'll cover your hp and Fort saves a bit with the +4 Con, and you'll get things like wings or a breath weapon.

A dragonborn fire elf might be nice as well, given you'll get a nice bonus to Int. Tossing on necropolitan might be a good idea as well, though you'll need to burn a feat on Undead Meldshaper to use your soulmelds.

How about a strongheart halfling? Small size, a racial bonus feat, and +2 to Dex (in exchange for a penalty to Str, which you won't care much about at all) is all good.

Azurin is decent as well, since you get a bonus feat AND some essentia. Use the bonus feat on an incarnum feat and you'll net TWO points of essentia (or three, if you grab Bonus Essentia with the feat you would've spent later).

Just some thoughts.
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Re: Exalted Psionist, Plz Help
« Reply #42 on: March 20, 2011, 06:56:23 PM »
I've been considering dragonborn warforged/warforged scout, as that would also be a great choice, and honestly the only reason I didn't write up my sheet that way is because they slipped my mind. I'd rather not go with strongheart halfling, but Azurin is also an interesting choice, but although it is mechanically sound, I'm not sold on it. Not to sound completely inept, but how much benefit would the extra essentia be?

Currently dragonborn warforged (scout) sounds like it would be best. If I go with the dragonborn warforged, should I use the scout from MM3?

Edit: I'm 90% sure I'll go with the metacreativity focus, as that seems to be the one that suits the party and my tastes the best. The other 10% is towards psychometabolism, but I would only go that route if I was going to head into melee. Melee seems to be covered in the party, so I would likely only get in the way.
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[spoiler]
I see that you want to solve problems. Not problems like, "What is beauty?," because that would fall within the purview of your conundrums of 'philosophy'. You want to solve practical problems. F'r instance, how are you gonna stop some big, mean Mother Hubbard from tearing you a structurally superfluous new behind? The answer: Use a gun. And if that don't work? Use more gun.
And if that fails try this


 
[/spoiler]

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Re: Exalted Psionist, Plz Help
« Reply #43 on: March 20, 2011, 07:12:11 PM »
I've been considering dragonborn warforged/warforged scout, as that would also be a great choice, and honestly the only reason I didn't write up my sheet that way is because they slipped my mind. I'd rather not go with strongheart halfling, but Azurin is also an interesting choice, but although it is mechanically sound, I'm not sold on it. Not to sound completely inept, but how much benefit would the extra essentia be?
Essentia is really difficult to get, but it'll benefit you the most if you throw resources into getting more of it (since essentia sources stack).

Currently dragonborn warforged (scout) sounds like it would be best. If I go with the dragonborn warforged, should I use the scout from MM3?
The regular warforged is 99% better than a scout. The Small size just doesn't make up for the ability penalities.

Eww.

Also, why the hell would a scout be purposefully built with a penalty to Wisdom?!

Edit: I'm 90% sure I'll go with the metacreativity focus, as that seems to be the one that suits the party and my tastes the best. The other 10% is towards psychometabolism, but I would only go that route if I was going to head into melee. Melee seems to be covered in the party, so I would likely only get in the way.
You can easily build a very effective character using nothing but Metacreativity powers; it's like Transmutation or Conjuration -- it's just that good.

But I wouldn't skip things like dimension swap, psionic contingency, or psychic reformation, especially if you're an erudite. They don't cost you much, given you have potentially unlimited powers known, and they'd be great even if you didn't. Also, note you can use multiple iterations of psionic contingency and you can pair it up with psychic reformation for a quickie rebuild when you need it. Expensive on the XP, but worth it when you need it.

Or just use Linked Power + psychic reformation. Either/or.
« Last Edit: March 20, 2011, 07:17:22 PM by Lycanthromancer »
[spoiler]Masculine men like masculine things. Masculine men are masculine. Therefore, liking masculine men is masculine.

I dare anyone to find a hole in that logic.
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Which book is Lycanthromancer in?
Lyca ... is in the book. Yes he is.
 :D
shit.. concerning psionics optimization, lycan IS the book
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Re: Exalted Psionist, Plz Help
« Reply #44 on: March 20, 2011, 07:22:35 PM »
Essentia is really difficult to get, but it'll benefit you the most if you throw resources into getting more of it (since essentia sources stack).

Maybe I'll go that route, but I doubt it, as currently I'm really feat starved, and I don't think I'd be able to spend the feats on getting more. For now, I think I'll go dragonborn warforged.

The regular warforged is 99% better than a scout. The Small size just doesn't make up for the ability penalities.

Eww.

Also, why the hell would a scout be purposefully built with a penalty to Wisdom?!

Eww is right, I had completely forgotten their ability penalties.

You can easily build a very effective character using nothing but Metacreativity powers; it's like Transmutation or Conjuration -- it's just that good.

Even more reason to go metacreativity.

But I wouldn't skip things like dimension swap, psionic contingency, or psychic reformation, especially if you're an erudite. They don't cost you much, given you have potentially unlimited powers known, and they'd be great even if you didn't. Also, note you can use multiple iterations of psionic contingency and you can pair it up with psychic reformation for a quickie rebuild when you need it. Expensive on the XP, but worth it when you need it.

I'll keep that in mind for once the game starts. I don't want to learn any powers outside those I get from leveling until it starts, as I'm trying to keep from abusing the mechanic.
[spoiler]
I see that you want to solve problems. Not problems like, "What is beauty?," because that would fall within the purview of your conundrums of 'philosophy'. You want to solve practical problems. F'r instance, how are you gonna stop some big, mean Mother Hubbard from tearing you a structurally superfluous new behind? The answer: Use a gun. And if that don't work? Use more gun.
And if that fails try this


 
[/spoiler]

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Re: Exalted Psionist, Plz Help
« Reply #45 on: March 20, 2011, 07:25:38 PM »
Essentia is really difficult to get, but it'll benefit you the most if you throw resources into getting more of it (since essentia sources stack).

Maybe I'll go that route, but I doubt it, as currently I'm really feat starved, and I don't think I'd be able to spend the feats on getting more. For now, I think I'll go dragonborn warforged.

The regular warforged is 99% better than a scout. The Small size just doesn't make up for the ability penalities.

Eww.

Also, why the hell would a scout be purposefully built with a penalty to Wisdom?!

Eww is right, I had completely forgotten their ability penalties.

You can easily build a very effective character using nothing but Metacreativity powers; it's like Transmutation or Conjuration -- it's just that good.

Even more reason to go metacreativity.

But I wouldn't skip things like dimension swap, psionic contingency, or psychic reformation, especially if you're an erudite. They don't cost you much, given you have potentially unlimited powers known, and they'd be great even if you didn't. Also, note you can use multiple iterations of psionic contingency and you can pair it up with psychic reformation for a quickie rebuild when you need it. Expensive on the XP, but worth it when you need it.

I'll keep that in mind for once the game starts. I don't want to learn any powers outside those I get from leveling until it starts, as I'm trying to keep from abusing the mechanic.
Grab an Item Familiar and throw all that bonus XP into your powers known.

Or ask the DM if you can convert gold into XP on a 5-to-1 basis, as is the standard conversion rate.
[spoiler]Masculine men like masculine things. Masculine men are masculine. Therefore, liking masculine men is masculine.

I dare anyone to find a hole in that logic.
______________________________________
[/spoiler]I'm a writer. These are my stories. Some are even SFW! (Warning: Mostly Gay.)
My awesome poster collection. (Warning, some are NSFW.)
Agita's awesome poster collection.
[spoiler]
+1 Lycanthromancer
Which book is Lycanthromancer in?
Lyca ... is in the book. Yes he is.
 :D
shit.. concerning psionics optimization, lycan IS the book
[/spoiler]

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Re: Exalted Psionist, Plz Help
« Reply #46 on: March 20, 2011, 07:36:41 PM »
Wouldn't an Item familiar violate my VoP if I take it? And it's not the xp cost I'm worried about, it's the fact that the DM still hasn't given our starting xp to us yet, only a level. I'm still waiting to see whether or not LA buy-off will be worth it. Depends on my starting xp. But and Item familiar would be worth it, if it doesn't violate VoP, assuming I take a VoP.
[spoiler]
I see that you want to solve problems. Not problems like, "What is beauty?," because that would fall within the purview of your conundrums of 'philosophy'. You want to solve practical problems. F'r instance, how are you gonna stop some big, mean Mother Hubbard from tearing you a structurally superfluous new behind? The answer: Use a gun. And if that don't work? Use more gun.
And if that fails try this


 
[/spoiler]

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Re: Exalted Psionist, Plz Help
« Reply #47 on: March 20, 2011, 07:38:15 PM »
Wouldn't an Item familiar violate my VoP if I take it? And it's not the xp cost I'm worried about, it's the fact that the DM still hasn't given our starting xp to us yet, only a level. I'm still waiting to see whether or not LA buy-off will be worth it. Depends on my starting xp. But and Item familiar would be worth it, if it doesn't violate VoP, assuming I take a VoP.
Use it on your slam attack, or on your armor. It costs nothing, and yet can be augmented via magic to turn it into a magic item.
[spoiler]Masculine men like masculine things. Masculine men are masculine. Therefore, liking masculine men is masculine.

I dare anyone to find a hole in that logic.
______________________________________
[/spoiler]I'm a writer. These are my stories. Some are even SFW! (Warning: Mostly Gay.)
My awesome poster collection. (Warning, some are NSFW.)
Agita's awesome poster collection.
[spoiler]
+1 Lycanthromancer
Which book is Lycanthromancer in?
Lyca ... is in the book. Yes he is.
 :D
shit.. concerning psionics optimization, lycan IS the book
[/spoiler]

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Re: Exalted Psionist, Plz Help
« Reply #48 on: March 20, 2011, 07:51:48 PM »
If I take VoP, I'll drop shape soulmeld, if not, I'll drop overchannel to take Item Familiar for the extra xp and skill bonuses.
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I see that you want to solve problems. Not problems like, "What is beauty?," because that would fall within the purview of your conundrums of 'philosophy'. You want to solve practical problems. F'r instance, how are you gonna stop some big, mean Mother Hubbard from tearing you a structurally superfluous new behind? The answer: Use a gun. And if that don't work? Use more gun.
And if that fails try this


 
[/spoiler]

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Re: Exalted Psionist, Plz Help
« Reply #49 on: March 20, 2011, 10:19:02 PM »

I was just going back over your build excerpt, and you might benefit from a dip into master specialist as, IIRC, they get spell focus for free.

The only reason I didn't do that was that I need to be able to spontaneously cast first level spells to enter Ultimate Magus so I need spontaneous divination to handle this requirement and Nar Demonbinder doesn't have any first level spells.

I suppose instead I could drop use versatile/heighten which would allow early entry into incantatrix.

Maybe add magic blooded for the bonus to know(arcana) and spellcraft as well as a boost to the nar demonbinder casting stat.
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Re: Exalted Psionist, Plz Help
« Reply #50 on: March 20, 2011, 10:42:02 PM »
@Vilenatas: It was only a suggestion, so take it for what you will, as I am by no means a master optimiser, that's why I'm here asking for help.  ;)
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I see that you want to solve problems. Not problems like, "What is beauty?," because that would fall within the purview of your conundrums of 'philosophy'. You want to solve practical problems. F'r instance, how are you gonna stop some big, mean Mother Hubbard from tearing you a structurally superfluous new behind? The answer: Use a gun. And if that don't work? Use more gun.
And if that fails try this


 
[/spoiler]

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Re: Exalted Psionist, Plz Help
« Reply #51 on: March 20, 2011, 11:05:26 PM »
@Vilenatas: It was only a suggestion, so take it for what you will, as I am by no means a master optimiser, that's why I'm here asking for help.  ;)

Actually kind of like the new build (although it includes a bit of early entry cheese that I wasn't using before).  I won't initially have persistent spell available when I get Inc3 tech, but that should be alright as I'll end up with all the metamagic I need in the end.  It definitely has me thinking about the build again.

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Re: Exalted Psionist, Plz Help
« Reply #52 on: March 20, 2011, 11:34:29 PM »
Actually kind of like the new build (although it includes a bit of early entry cheese that I wasn't using before).  I won't initially have persistent spell available when I get Inc3 tech, but that should be alright as I'll end up with all the metamagic I need in the end.  It definitely has me thinking about the build again.
Glad to be of help then, but if you wanted serious cheese, take a look at this and combine it with a desert dragonwrought kobold. :lmao
« Last Edit: March 21, 2011, 10:09:02 PM by geniussavant »
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I see that you want to solve problems. Not problems like, "What is beauty?," because that would fall within the purview of your conundrums of 'philosophy'. You want to solve practical problems. F'r instance, how are you gonna stop some big, mean Mother Hubbard from tearing you a structurally superfluous new behind? The answer: Use a gun. And if that don't work? Use more gun.
And if that fails try this


 
[/spoiler]

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Re: Exalted Psionist, Plz Help
« Reply #53 on: March 21, 2011, 10:08:32 PM »
Find a way to go ethereal while standing still (such as that one vestige...don't remember his name)

Anyone know which vestige he is talking about?
[spoiler]
I see that you want to solve problems. Not problems like, "What is beauty?," because that would fall within the purview of your conundrums of 'philosophy'. You want to solve practical problems. F'r instance, how are you gonna stop some big, mean Mother Hubbard from tearing you a structurally superfluous new behind? The answer: Use a gun. And if that don't work? Use more gun.
And if that fails try this


 
[/spoiler]

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Re: Exalted Psionist, Plz Help
« Reply #54 on: March 21, 2011, 10:27:54 PM »
Chupoclops? Maybe?

I'm not really a binder-aficionado.
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I dare anyone to find a hole in that logic.
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My awesome poster collection. (Warning, some are NSFW.)
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Which book is Lycanthromancer in?
Lyca ... is in the book. Yes he is.
 :D
shit.. concerning psionics optimization, lycan IS the book
[/spoiler]

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Re: Exalted Psionist, Plz Help
« Reply #55 on: March 21, 2011, 10:55:46 PM »
Chupoclops grants the ability to become ethereal as a move action until you take a move, standard or full-round action. Could be that.

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Re: Exalted Psionist, Plz Help
« Reply #56 on: March 21, 2011, 11:32:26 PM »
Unfortunately chupoclops is too high a level of vestige to get with just a couple of feats.
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I see that you want to solve problems. Not problems like, "What is beauty?," because that would fall within the purview of your conundrums of 'philosophy'. You want to solve practical problems. F'r instance, how are you gonna stop some big, mean Mother Hubbard from tearing you a structurally superfluous new behind? The answer: Use a gun. And if that don't work? Use more gun.
And if that fails try this


 
[/spoiler]