Analogy time.
1. One box holds grapes.
2. One box holds apples.
3. One box holes oranges.
4. You have a banana and must put it in one of those three boxes.
Solvable?
Funny, I don't see a box in there that says "all remaining fruit goes in this box" which is a clause Na effectively has. Nor do I see a rule that says "all fruit that is edible goes into one of the first three boxes" which is what MM says about it.
That's the reason you're wrong. But I do notice you cut out all the rules quotes as "JaronK fail" and replaced it with a random irrelevant analogy.
You think so and refuse to acknowledge anything that says otherwise. Yes it is stated in the updated rules of the RC anything that produces spells is a Su or Sp ability.
No, it says classes that are not spellcasters produce magical effects via Su or Sp abilities... but since "Magical effects" are often separated from "spells" (even in the very rules quotes you just deleted as "JaronK fail") and it just said it's not talking about spellcasters, that doesn't say much does it? Look at Antimagic again if you need to.
The outdated rules in the PHB state is must be a Ex, Su, or Sp ability.
See, this is how I know you don't even read the rules. As I just quoted in the part you deleted (the JaronK fail), the Monster Manual says that.
My point, the one you love to ignore, is that spellcasting remains unmarked.
Except for Arcane Talent, where it's marked (Ex). Also, TONS of abilities are unmarked. Fighter Bonus Feats is, for example, unmarked. That doesn't mean the Bonus Feats ability of a Fighter isn't an ability. It means you have to look at the rules that summarize the ability types to figure out what they are. Since the rules (JaronK fail, right?) say that all abilities must be Su, Sp, Ex, or Na (That would be PHB 180) and furthmore that all special abilities must be Su, Sp, or Ex (that's Monster Manual and SRD), nothing can be untyped, EVER.
Say it is one over the other is pure house rules.
No, saying it's untyped when the rules say it must have a type is house rules. Saying it has one type over the other based on what the books say is rules analysis. It's made easier by quotes that say all special abilities must be Ex, Sp, or Su, combined with quotes that say "spells, Su abilities, and Sp abilities."
What you don't get is your justification towards to picking one is still the same BS as me picking Su, or even Sp.
No, because the rules NEVER say they're Su or Sp. They do say they're Ex directly (MMV) and indirectly (Antimagic Field + Monster Manual). That's the difference. I read what the rules say, and you read what you want them to say and then refer to everything that directly contradicts your interpretation as "JaronK fail." Including direct quotes on the topic.
And further all three of those pickings fall short of the rules as printed. But then again, you've never cared about raw, rai, rules, or even sanity. You pick the desired answer and spend three minutes googling support for it before spamming it as absolute fact.
Googled SRD, read the Monster Manual, read PHB, read every single thing you linked me to (all of which was against your case... did you even read it?). It's called actually reading rules, not making stuff up. Calling any ability "untyped" is making stuff up.
Side note. Arcane Talent grants the ability to cast as an X level sorcerer. Whom if you've ever read the PHB you'll know has unmarked spellcasting. It's an Ex ability granting untyped ability plus illogical leap saying the untyped is Ex due to an Ex granting it. Akin to saying evasion is a magical ability thus lost in antimagic because a Ring of Evasion doesn't work in one.
Arcane Talent is the only example of a spell ability that explicitly tells you what it is. If that were all we had, you might have something here... but since we have so many implicit declarations, it ends up being just one more nail in the coffin. You seem to be claiming that unmarked abilities are all untyped, but that's silly. In fact, they're virtually always Ex (Sp abilities are always labeled and tell you the caster level, while Su abilities are virtually always labeled. Na abilities are rarely listed as abilities and never listed under "special abilities," "special attacks," or in a class features table. As such, any ability you see under Special Abilities or Special Attacks that's unlabeled, or found in a class features table, is Ex).
And the big thing a lot of people are missing is this:
Abilities must be one of the four types. Special abilities must be one of the three (Ex, Sp, Su). But things that are not abilities are never those types.
"Spells" is an ability, usually found in the Special Attacks part of a table. As such, it must be Ex, Sp, or Su, and is
the ability to cast spells.Similarly "Fly" is an ability to fly, which is usually Na (if the creature has wings) or Su (if it doesn't) but is occasionally also gained by a spell. It is
your ability to fly.Spells themselves are not an ability. They are an effect. Wizards can use the "Spells" Ex ability to cast spells (which are not Ex).
Flying itself is not an ability, it's an action. A Solar uses its "fly 90ft" ability to fly around.
An antimagic field does not stop you from using your "Spells" ability at all. This fact is found in the very article you linked, where it says you can cast your spells just fine. The ability itself is not suppressed at all. However, the spells themselves are (as are Sp and Su abilities, which are listed as being separate and don't function), and have no effect until you leave the field.
When you're underwater, a Solar still has its "fly 90ft" Na ability. However, despite the fact that the ability works just fine, he can't use it here because he's under water.
See the difference?
But clearly, the rules state that A: Spells are an ability and B: all abilities have types. This is trivially true and stated twice in the Monster Manual, once (or twice, I forget) in the Rules Compendium, at least once in the SRD, once in the PHB, and at least once in the Rules of the Game article on Polymorph. The fact that you're trying to contradict five different rules books with made up stuff about bananas should tell you to give up.
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