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Mastering Pick Pocketing
« on: February 25, 2011, 11:41:39 AM »
Hi,

I'm planning to play a Thief-like character based on Rogue3/Wizard2/Unseen Seer5 (we start at 10th level). The race for this character will be a Whisper Gnome.

Now I'm having no problems with the stuff i want to do with my thief (like scouting, sneaking etc.), but I have some issues maxing my Pick Pocket Skills. I want my character to be a master in pick pocket, but next to maxing the skillpoints and some spells, I cannot seem to find a way to give this character a substantial edge in pick pocketing (and this hurts as Sleight of Hand is not a class skill for Unseen Seer).

Can anyone help me with this? We can use all official books.

Thanks

Ezekiel

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Re: Mastering Pick Pocketing
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2011, 06:16:47 AM »
Improvisation is a good spell.

There's no specific lol +10 to sleight of hand spells that I know of.  Doesn't mean there aren't any.  Divine casters get to add +20 to any skill check for the cost of a 2nd level spell slot.

Item Familiar gives you untyped bonus on skills.

Masterwork skill tool.

Skill focus if you really must.

Some skill tricks from CScoundrel might make you better at it.  Dunno.

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Re: Mastering Pick Pocketing
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2011, 06:26:09 AM »
Psionics can help. Retrieve from the XPH (though this is quite high-level) and steal item from Hyperconscious.

Also, anything that allows you to go ethereal (such as the shoulders-bound Phase Cloak from Magic of Incarnum) and the Ghostly Grasp feat. You can hide in the shadows, move out and become silent and invisible, grab what you want, then move into the shadows again and they'll never see you coming.
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Re: Mastering Pick Pocketing
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2011, 08:23:59 AM »
Psionics can help. Retrieve from the XPH (though this is quite high-level) and steal item from Hyperconscious.

Also, anything that allows you to go ethereal (such as the shoulders-bound Phase Cloak from Magic of Incarnum) and the Ghostly Grasp feat. You can hide in the shadows, move out and become silent and invisible, grab what you want, then move into the shadows again and they'll never see you coming.
Incorporeal, not ethereal.
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Re: Mastering Pick Pocketing
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2011, 08:37:52 AM »
Divine casters get to add +20 to any skill check for the cost of a 2nd level spell slot.
Well the OP's build includes Unseen Seer levels which means it can pick up any Divination spell with Advanced Learner, so yeah the spell Divine Insight (Spell Compendium) would actually be a decent option for this build.

The spell Sticky Fingers (Spell Compendium, Bard/Assassin only) gives you +10 on Sleight of Hands checks for 1 round.

The Filcher's Friend ring (Complete Adventurer) gives you +5 to Sleight of Hand checks involving metal objects.
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Re: Mastering Pick Pocketing
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2011, 08:49:47 AM »
Skill prodigy (Kingdoms of Kalamar Player's Guide) will get you it as a class skill.  That, or apprentice (thief), which I believe also has some secondary benefit.

A Huitzil familiar (dragon magic) gives +3 to sleight of hand.  At this level, it can also aid another on a 1, so that's another +2.  It's also a good familiar choice on its own, since it can fly and has hands.  It can also steal pretty decently on its own if you want to double up your theft.

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Re: Mastering Pick Pocketing
« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2011, 10:16:13 AM »
I know it's a higher level spell but phantasmal thief spell (155 SC) would fit your character Thematically

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Re: Mastering Pick Pocketing
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2011, 10:54:45 AM »
try this:

Feat from City of Stormreach,p95


CRIMINAL BACKGROUND
You come from a long line of pirates, outlaws, or sneak thieves. Your instincts are bent toward illicit gain and self-preservation above all else.
Benefit: Bluff, Open Lock, and Sleight of Hand are all considered class skills. In addition, when observing an individual, you can make a DC 15 Sense Motive check to ascertain any criminal motives. You also gain a +4 bonus on Gather Information checks involving crime and criminals.
Special: You must take this feat at 1st level.

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Re: Mastering Pick Pocketing
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2011, 11:05:25 AM »
Arms and Equipment Guide has fingerblades, which are mundane and give a +1.  And don't forget the Shrink Item spell!

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Re: Mastering Pick Pocketing
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2011, 05:01:59 PM »
Phantasmal thief from Spell Compendium. That spell is made of hilarity.
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Re: Mastering Pick Pocketing
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2011, 06:17:03 PM »
level of marshal?
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Re: Mastering Pick Pocketing
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2011, 09:41:52 PM »
Three levels of factotum for +Int to the skill?

And factotum is great to have anyway.
[spoiler]Masculine men like masculine things. Masculine men are masculine. Therefore, liking masculine men is masculine.

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Re: Mastering Pick Pocketing
« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2011, 09:42:29 PM »
Psionics can help. Retrieve from the XPH (though this is quite high-level) and steal item from Hyperconscious.

Also, anything that allows you to go ethereal (such as the shoulders-bound Phase Cloak from Magic of Incarnum) and the Ghostly Grasp feat. You can hide in the shadows, move out and become silent and invisible, grab what you want, then move into the shadows again and they'll never see you coming.
Incorporeal, not ethereal.
Right. Hmm. A ghost touch gauntlet, then.
[spoiler]Masculine men like masculine things. Masculine men are masculine. Therefore, liking masculine men is masculine.

I dare anyone to find a hole in that logic.
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My awesome poster collection. (Warning, some are NSFW.)
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Which book is Lycanthromancer in?
Lyca ... is in the book. Yes he is.
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Re: Mastering Pick Pocketing
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2011, 10:43:41 PM »
Three levels of factotum for +Int to the skill?

And factotum is great to have anyway.

ya thats what i meant
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Re: Mastering Pick Pocketing
« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2011, 10:58:52 PM »
Three levels of factotum for +Int to the skill?

And factotum is great to have anyway.

ya thats what i meant
Hey, some marshal for +Cha to it isn't bad either, if you can handle going MAD.
[spoiler]Masculine men like masculine things. Masculine men are masculine. Therefore, liking masculine men is masculine.

I dare anyone to find a hole in that logic.
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My awesome poster collection. (Warning, some are NSFW.)
Agita's awesome poster collection.
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+1 Lycanthromancer
Which book is Lycanthromancer in?
Lyca ... is in the book. Yes he is.
 :D
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Re: Mastering Pick Pocketing
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2011, 11:15:09 PM »
Many thanks to all of you. This helps a lot. :clap


@ Gorfnad: I didnt consider taking divine spells with advanced learning, although it specifically mentions it... :banghead. I know Divine Insight from a cleric I once played, This would work great, especially considering the duration (1hr/CL)!!!

@ Stranglebat and Tshern: This spell is pretty high level, but it would be a blast to have an evil twin to play tag team with... :lmao :smirk

@ Lycanthromancer: I have indeed considered taking levels of Factotum. I will look into it again but really like the mage/thief roles.

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Re: Mastering Pick Pocketing
« Reply #16 on: February 26, 2011, 11:19:00 PM »
@ Lycanthromancer: I have indeed considered taking levels of Factotum. I will look into it again but really like the mage/thief roles.
This is what the factotum 11/chameleon 9 build is for.
[spoiler]Masculine men like masculine things. Masculine men are masculine. Therefore, liking masculine men is masculine.

I dare anyone to find a hole in that logic.
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[/spoiler]I'm a writer. These are my stories. Some are even SFW! (Warning: Mostly Gay.)
My awesome poster collection. (Warning, some are NSFW.)
Agita's awesome poster collection.
[spoiler]
+1 Lycanthromancer
Which book is Lycanthromancer in?
Lyca ... is in the book. Yes he is.
 :D
shit.. concerning psionics optimization, lycan IS the book
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Re: Mastering Pick Pocketing
« Reply #17 on: February 26, 2011, 11:31:12 PM »
@ Lycanthromancer: I have indeed considered taking levels of Factotum. I will look into it again but really like the mage/thief roles.
This is what the factotum 11/chameleon 9 build is for.
Well that's an eyeopener...I am reading Chameleon and I will consider this combination, thanks. Although I have to admit i was quite fond of the idea of playing a Whisper Gnome...

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Re: Mastering Pick Pocketing
« Reply #18 on: February 26, 2011, 11:34:33 PM »
@ Lycanthromancer: I have indeed considered taking levels of Factotum. I will look into it again but really like the mage/thief roles.
This is what the factotum 11/chameleon 9 build is for.
Well that's an eyeopener...I am reading Chameleon and I will consider this combination, thanks. Although I have to admit i was quite fond of the idea of playing a Whisper Gnome...
Whisper gnome factotum/chameleon, using your backstory of 'my granddaddy was a shadow human' to qualify for that feat that makes you count as human?

It'd work with flaws.
[spoiler]Masculine men like masculine things. Masculine men are masculine. Therefore, liking masculine men is masculine.

I dare anyone to find a hole in that logic.
______________________________________
[/spoiler]I'm a writer. These are my stories. Some are even SFW! (Warning: Mostly Gay.)
My awesome poster collection. (Warning, some are NSFW.)
Agita's awesome poster collection.
[spoiler]
+1 Lycanthromancer
Which book is Lycanthromancer in?
Lyca ... is in the book. Yes he is.
 :D
shit.. concerning psionics optimization, lycan IS the book
[/spoiler]

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Re: Mastering Pick Pocketing
« Reply #19 on: February 27, 2011, 01:39:27 AM »
Three levels of factotum for +Int to the skill?

And factotum is great to have anyway.

ya thats what i meant
Hey, some marshal for +Cha to it isn't bad either, if you can handle going MAD.

we all go a little MAD sometimes
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