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Bortasz

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Help witch Gestalt
« on: February 11, 2011, 09:24:08 PM »
The problem:

Gestalt:

Artificer+?

I don't want make him to much powerful (His already Tier 1 ) But i want add some spell to him like Fabricate Minor and Major Creation.
I was Thinking about Magewright NPC class from Eberron... Maks 5 lvl spells and very low Number (Witch intelect 18 Only four add first lvl eight spells on 4 lvl Thirteen spells on 8 lvl of that class and the most powerful is 3 lvl spell.

Other question where i can Find variant rules for Ranger that give him him Wild Shape?

Last Question. Any idea for Gestalt that put Warblade or Swordsage to Tier 1 or 2?

PS: What Other Gestalt Combination you find most appealing to you?
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Re: Help witch Gestalt
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2011, 09:26:48 PM »
Gestalt dosen't generally increase tier on tier 1 classes anyway.
I would go with Artificer//Psion personally.

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Re: Help witch Gestalt
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2011, 09:29:59 PM »
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Last Question. Any idea for Gestalt that put Warblade or Swordsage to Tier 1 or 2?
Warblade//Wizard?
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Re: Help witch Gestalt
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2011, 09:32:22 PM »
Pretty much what Littha said.

In fact, just for kicks, I'd love to be an Artificer // Artificer.

Anyway, Artificer // Factotum synergizes nicely, I think. Adds versatility, including more versatility with casting, and allows you to focus entirelly on int.

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Other question where i can Find variant rules for Ranger that give him him Wild Shape?

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/variantCharacterClasses.htm#ranger

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Last Question. Any idea for Gestalt that put Warblade or Swordsage to Tier 1 or 2?

Swordsage // Druid & Warblade // Archivist. Now I want to try one of these xD.

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PS: What Other Gestalt Combination you find most appealing to you?
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Re: Help witch Gestalt
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2011, 09:34:08 PM »
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Last Question. Any idea for Gestalt that put Warblade or Swordsage to Tier 1 or 2?
Warblade//Wizard?

I'd take Warblade//Druid and specialize in Stone dragon. Who doesn't like a bear that can smash through walls.

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Re: Help witch Gestalt
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2011, 09:55:44 PM »
Warblade/Druid? And use stance + maneuvers +wildshape(12 head Hydra)

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Psionic Artificer // Psion Sheeper?

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Artificer // Psionic Artificer..,

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Re: Help witch Gestalt
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2011, 09:58:04 PM »
I would emphasize strength rather than number of attacks, manoeuvres will make you unable to benefit from most of the hydra goodness.

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Re: Help witch Gestalt
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2011, 01:47:00 PM »
Artificer+?
Factotum would get you extra actions, but is just about as feat hungry as Artificer,

Binder on the other hand can get you crafting feats from a Vestige (Astaroth), why specialize when you can have just the right feat when you need it?
you can now cover more than one archetype (Blastificer, Meleeficer, Buffificer, Archerficer and Hordeficer)

PS: What Other Gestalt Combination you find most appealing to you?
jeez, so many come to mind...

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Archivist20 /// FactotumX, thrallherd1, FactotumX  have your thrall be an artificer (on days that you want one  :smirk)

Druid5, Planar Shepherd10, Druid5 /// Anything you want really, could be swordsage, cleric, ardent etc... (in this case I would self nerf and not pick a plane with insane time ratios)
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"side2" not in following order
Binder3, Ardent3(magic mantle), Dragonblood (cloistered) Cleric1, Dread Necromancer1(if rebuking stacks), CrusaderX, SwordsageX, WarbladeX, bard1(song of the white raven),

optional: rangerX, scoutX if you want to stack swift hunter
erudite, wilder if you feel you need double or triple pp for your ardent stuff (bloodlines will advance ML and PP but not powers known, but ardents are ... special)

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WS as 11th level druid at will, outsider type
ghost abilities(try to make your outsider or dragon type override the ghost type)
dragon type, access to epic feats and other cheese
EBL around 20th depending on how your DM rules "best progression" and if you put your binder levels between your BL/Legacy CHampion levels
ML around 20th for Ardent, see above
PP for around 20th as ardent, or 2X, or 3X if you took 1 level each of erudite, wilder
rebuking as around 20th or 40th level cleric depending on what your DM rules possibly 2 pools as 20th level
initiator level around 10th for crusader, warblade and swordsage
inspire courage as if you were around 30th level bard(song of the white raven stacks with "levels" of warblade/crusader)
pretty much max out the thrallherd table for number of believers(160sumthing), It would be something like 20th character level + 18th "level" thrallherd + cha bonus to determine leaderhship score
around 19th level for swift hunter calculations
there is more i'm sure if you dig around...
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Re: Help witch Gestalt
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2011, 02:15:25 PM »
The problem:

Gestalt:

Artificer+?

I don't want make him to much powerful (His already Tier 1 ) But i want add some spell to him like Fabricate Minor and Major Creation.
I was Thinking about Magewright NPC class from Eberron... Maks 5 lvl spells and very low Number (Witch intelect 18 Only four add first lvl eight spells on 4 lvl Thirteen spells on 8 lvl of that class and the most powerful is 3 lvl spell.

Wizard, obviously, would give you the spells you wanted...

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Other question where i can Find variant rules for Ranger that give him him Wild Shape?

UA, IIRC.

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Last Question. Any idea for Gestalt that put Warblade or Swordsage to Tier 1 or 2?

Warblade//Archivist or Unarmed Swordsage//Druid would be the obvious choices.  Warblade//Wizard works, as does Warblade//Artificer, and Cloistered Cleric//Unarmed Swordsage has potential as well.

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PS: What Other Gestalt Combination you find most appealing to you?

Rogue 1/Rokugan Ninja 1/Unarmed Swordsage 18//Factotum 19/Mindbender 1, because I like ninja assassins.  Binder 15/Knight of the Sacred Seal 5//Dread Necromancer 20 for a fun minion master.  Warblade//Factotum or Archivist//Factotum for a snotty "I know more than you, and knowledge beats brute strength" character.

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