Any way for a creature to keep its Con score when it becomes undead?

[Garryl]

Undead that wild shapes into something with a CON score?  After all the ability specifically indicates you gain the physical ability scores...  (Though I'm fairly sure that doesn't actually work.)

You need a feat to wildshape as an undead.

A feat that makes your wildshape targets undead.

Where's that rule from? I don't see any such stipulations preventing undead using wild shape under Druid (Wild Shape) or Undead Type in the SRD.

[The_Mad_Linguist]

Undead that wild shapes into something with a CON score?  After all the ability specifically indicates you gain the physical ability scores...  (Though I'm fairly sure that doesn't actually work.)

You need a feat to wildshape as an undead.

A feat that makes your wildshape targets undead.

Where's that rule from? I don't see any such stipulations preventing undead using wild shape under Druid (Wild Shape) or Undead Type in the SRD.

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20041001a

Corrupted Wildshape [Monstrous]

You have learned to use the necromantic energies that power your undead form to overcome the inability of undead creatures to wildshape. You can assume the form of an undead, rotten creature with the use of your wildshape ability.

Prerequisites: Undead type, wildshape class ability.

Benefits: You can use your wildshape ability even though you are undead. The ability functions just as if you were a living creature using the ability, with the following exceptions:

You do not gain a Constitution score in the new form, and you retain all of the immunities of the undead type while in your new form. The form you assume looks half decayed, with missing patches of fur and rotted worm-eaten flesh. While in this form, the rank odor of death hangs around you.

Normal: Since it is based on the polymorph spell, wildshape works only on living creatures.

[Agita]

But Wild Shape was errata'd to be based on Alternate Form, not Polymorph, wasn't it?

[betrayor]

But Wild Shape was errata'd to be based on Alternate Form, not Polymorph, wasn't it?

Well yes but sometimes wotc didn't use their own erratas....

[Lycanthromancer]

If the ability doesn't need the feat, then the feat is (mostly) superfluous. Aye?

[Agita]

But Wild Shape was errata'd to be based on Alternate Form, not Polymorph, wasn't it?

Well yes but sometimes wotc didn't use their own erratas....

Either that, or Libris Mortis was printed before the errata in question. I came into 3.5 fairly late in its run, so I have no idea.

[PlzBreakMyCampaign]

In 3.5 the feat is needed to keep the undead immunities

[Amechra]

I was thinking of having a Soulfused Dustform Tarrasque; Soulfused is that template from MoI that gives a construct a Con score and the Living Construct Subtype.

Now, what would I need to get Mr. T. for him to have immunity to Ability Drain/Damage after this?

[betrayor]

But Wild Shape was errata'd to be based on Alternate Form, not Polymorph, wasn't it?

Well yes but sometimes wotc didn't use their own erratas....

Either that, or Libris Mortis was printed before the errata in question. I came into 3.5 fairly late in its run, so I have no idea.

No even late products sometimes did not use the Errata.....
For example despite the fact that errata removed polymorph from many creatures ,they kept having it in the stat blocks even in the very end....

[Ithamar]

Just like how there is a feat that lets a goliath keep powerful build when wild shaped...  It is completely useless since powerful build sticks around in wild shape one way or the other.

[Runestar]

Epic spellcasting can be used to grant a con score to a creature without one, like undead or constructs. Only problem is the DC is going to be quite high if you want to crank it to pre-undead tarrasque standards. Though may not be an issue with mitigating factor abuse.