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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #620 on: February 07, 2011, 12:37:25 AM »
Didn't see two weapon fighting. At in an extra attack at full BAB and subtract all bonuses by 2.

Warshaper can grow an arbitrarily large amount of natural attacks. soooo I can't write the hypothetical attack spread, it's arbitrarily large. Snap Kick only adds one unarmed attack per round. The neat thing about Snap Kick is you can put that attack wherever you want, even AoOs and Strikes.

Okay, assuming Warshaper isn't cheesing out attack quantities... and he's NOT raging, but he IS using many infinite use abilities (twf, snap kick, combining claws and IAS I guess...?) to get a larger number of attacks... his attack routine looks like...?

So it would be something like
Main hand
off hand
snap kick
main hand iterative
main hand iterative
main hand iterative
claw
claw
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #621 on: February 07, 2011, 01:44:01 AM »
Didn't see two weapon fighting. At in an extra attack at full BAB and subtract all bonuses by 2.

Warshaper can grow an arbitrarily large amount of natural attacks. soooo I can't write the hypothetical attack spread, it's arbitrarily large. Snap Kick only adds one unarmed attack per round. The neat thing about Snap Kick is you can put that attack wherever you want, even AoOs and Strikes.

TWF penalties don't affect natural weapons. They only apply to the manufactured weapons that are being two-/multi-weapon fought with. So, the natural weapon bonuses will be the same as you listed earlier, only the manufactured weapon attacks (including the unarmed strikes) will take the -2 penalty.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #622 on: February 07, 2011, 02:07:05 AM »
Main hand
off hand
snap kick
main hand iterative
main hand iterative
main hand iterative
claw
claw
bite
Yes. Garryl may be correct about TWF and natural attacks. I didn't check.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #623 on: February 07, 2011, 02:38:24 AM »

TWF penalties don't affect natural weapons. They only apply to the manufactured weapons that are being two-/multi-weapon fought with. So, the natural weapon bonuses will be the same as you listed earlier, only the manufactured weapon attacks (including the unarmed strikes) will take the -2 penalty.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #624 on: February 07, 2011, 03:18:20 PM »
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #625 on: February 07, 2011, 09:23:19 PM »
Q159:

In Unearthed Arcana, Monks have the option of selecting alternate fighting styles, changing their base feats that they would get by virtue of being a Monk 1, 2, and 6.

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/variantCharacterClasses.htm#monkVariantFightingStyles

One of the last sentences in this entry reads: "A monk can abandon her fighting style by selecting a different bonus feat at 2nd or 6th level; however, if she does so, she loses the bonus on skill checks gained at 1st level and never gains the bonus ability of the fighting style (even if she meets the prerequisites). " I have bolded the most important part of that sentence for this question.

What other "bonus" feats can the Monk select from here? I have used this trick a lot in the past, and now I am wondering how it really works. There are a few possibilities as I see it:

1) The monk can select a different bonus feat from this list that he must meet prerequisites for AND that corresponds to the same level slot that he ditched the previous feat from. Example: if the Monk took Stunning Fist at level 1 (part of the Hand and Foot style) he can take either take Deflect Arrows from Hand and Foot, or Combat Reflexes from Denying Stance, or anything else that had a level 2 slot.

2) The monk can select a different bonus feat from this list that he meets prereqs for and that comes from ANY level of the other combat styles. Example: if the Monk took Stunning Fist at level 1, he can take Improved Grapple (normally Level 1 from Denying Stance) instead of the usual Deflect Arrows (Hand and Foot Level 2).

3) The monk can select ANY BONUS FEAT PERIOD that he qualifies for. Example: Monk can ditch Deflect Arrows at level 2 and take, say, Expeditious Dodge, even though this is not on the monk list.

I am on the side of (3), because most of these feats are taken without prerequisites anyway, and because it seems to be implied by the wording of "bonus feat" [from the lists].

I would prefer a RAW answer and not an RAI answer. Thanks.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #626 on: February 07, 2011, 10:11:44 PM »
It's talking about a modification to a monk's ability to select bonus feats.  I think it's pretty clear that selecting a feat refers to the normal ability to select a bonus feat, unless otherwise noted.  That means it is subject to all the normal restrictions a monk has when selecting bonus feats, unless otherwise noted. 

The only exception in that paragraph is that you cease to be required to get the specific bonus feat dictated by your combat style.  Since no exceptions are noted regarding the other limitations of bonus feat selection, they are still in effect. 

In the rest of the entry, the only other exceptions to the normal limitations are that you get the specific bonus feats associated with your combat style.  This does not open the door to any other feats. 

I can't see any possible support for being able to take a feat other than the one dictated by your combat style or the feats normally available to a monk. 

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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #627 on: February 08, 2011, 01:20:50 AM »
Q 160 Am I reading Skin of Power Dampening right? It says that 3/day, as an immediate action, it minimizes damage from spells, SLA, and powers that target you, for 1 round. Then it gives an example of how a 5th level wizard casting lightning bolt would only do 5 damage to you, or 2 if you saved. Does this mean that if a 20th level caster, doing a spell that had a max of 20d6 would do 20, and a spell that did a max of 15d6 would only do 15? Or how does this work?
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #628 on: February 08, 2011, 01:28:11 AM »
Q 160 Am I reading Skin of Power Dampening right? It says that 3/day, as an immediate action, it minimizes damage from spells, SLA, and powers that target you, for 1 round. Then it gives an example of how a 5th level wizard casting lightning bolt would only do 5 damage to you, or 2 if you saved. Does this mean that if a 20th level caster, doing a spell that had a max of 20d6 would do 20, and a spell that did a max of 15d6 would only do 15? Or how does this work?
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #629 on: February 08, 2011, 02:04:51 AM »
Q 161 Aside from Expansion-enabled Incarnate Warforged, are there any Giants with +0 LA?
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #630 on: February 08, 2011, 02:17:22 AM »
Q 161 Aside from Expansion-enabled Incarnate Warforged, are there any Giants with +0 LA?

I think an incarnate maug would work (3 racial HD IIRC), checking. Nope I had it wrong +3 LA and 2 HD. I think there probably is a large construct with just 2 LA so incarnating that would work, otherwise I don't believe there are 0 LA giants.
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« Reply #631 on: February 08, 2011, 02:23:20 AM »
Q 162 Is there an epic version of the Belt of Magnificence? If not, how much would it be for a +8, +10, and +12? I Googled it, and someone rounded it down to "around" 8 million.

Q 163a Apparently the Deathbringer, like other MMII creatures, are incredibly underpowered given their CR. It's even been said that they should actually be a CR 13. Is this true? What CR would you say it should be rated, given it's current stats?
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« Reply #632 on: February 08, 2011, 06:40:40 AM »
Q 161 Aside from Expansion-enabled Incarnate Warforged, are there any Giants with +0 LA?
It's been asked before, but nobody's found a better one (I assume you want to pull primordial giant shenanigans?).

Expansion enabled incarnate dustform anything is LA+0...

Or incarnate dustform half-minotaur at LA+1?

Otherwise, half-giant is the lowest LA you can get for giant type.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #633 on: February 08, 2011, 06:53:15 AM »
Q 161 Aside from Expansion-enabled Incarnate Warforged, are there any Giants with +0 LA?
It's been asked before, but nobody's found a better one (I assume you want to pull primordial giant shenanigans?).

Expansion enabled incarnate dustform anything is LA+0...

Or incarnate dustform half-minotaur at LA+1?

Otherwise, half-giant is the lowest LA you can get for giant type.

Yeah on the Primordial Giant. I've had a character idea stuck in my head for a day or two now, and an actual Giant is the only thing true to it. I guess Half-Giant will have to do.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #634 on: February 08, 2011, 07:07:08 AM »
Q159:

In Unearthed Arcana, Monks have the option of selecting alternate fighting styles, changing their base feats that they would get by virtue of being a Monk 1, 2, and 6.

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/variantCharacterClasses.htm#monkVariantFightingStyles

One of the last sentences in this entry reads: "A monk can abandon her fighting style by selecting a different bonus feat at 2nd or 6th level; however, if she does so, she loses the bonus on skill checks gained at 1st level and never gains the bonus ability of the fighting style (even if she meets the prerequisites). " I have bolded the most important part of that sentence for this question.

It's effectively an ACF.  As such, you could take one of the normal Monk bonus feats (so you're not taking all 6 ACF levels), but this abandons the bonus on skill checks and the bonus ability of the style.

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« Reply #635 on: February 08, 2011, 09:14:21 AM »
Q 164 Besides Magic-Blooded, Unseelie Fey, and Primordial Giant, what other +0 LA templates provide a charisma boost, if any?

Q 162 Is there an epic version of the Belt of Magnificence? If not, how much would it be for a +8, +10, and +12? I Googled it, and someone rounded it down to "around" 8 million.

Tentative A 162
The math for the +2 and +4 belt seems to be 6250*(bonus squared). The +6 version doesn't follow that, but I'm assuming there's a discount on the +6, since the +2 and +4 match up. The rules for epic items involves making the formula 6250*(Bonus Squared)*10. So if you follow the more prevalent example, the +8, +10, and +12 would be 4,000,000, 6,250,000 and 9,000,000, respectively. Which winds up being slightly more expensive than all six stat boosting items (weighing in at 8,640,000), but it does save you five slots.
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« Reply #636 on: February 08, 2011, 09:26:30 AM »
Q 164 Besides Magic-Blooded, Unseelie Fey, and Primordial Giant, what other +0 LA templates provide a charisma boost, if any?
Depends on what exactly you're going for. If you're a sorcerer, you can swap out your familiar for Blood of Siberys. It gives you an effective +4 to CHA for the purpose of receiving bonus spells and the maximum spell level you can cast.

So basically if you had 16 CHA as a base, this would give you an additional 4th and 5th level spell (count as CHA 20), and you could cast 7th to 9th level spells when you gained them.
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« Reply #637 on: February 08, 2011, 10:50:07 AM »
Yeah on the Primordial Giant. I've had a character idea stuck in my head for a day or two now, and an actual Giant is the only thing true to it. I guess Half-Giant will have to do.
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« Reply #638 on: February 08, 2011, 10:51:27 AM »
Q 165

Does an ability that affects the user's allies but does not specify whether the user benefits, for example the Bolstering Voice stance, affect the user by defautl or exclude the user by default?
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« Reply #639 on: February 08, 2011, 11:01:49 AM »
A165 By default, you are your own ally.  Don't remember the source though.
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