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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #320 on: January 29, 2011, 05:43:42 AM »
q92 Do soulmelds work in Alternate Form?

As long as you have the appropriate 'slots', yes.

Q 93: Which LA +0/ +1 templates legal on humanoids increase your lifespan? Other than Dragonborn.

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« Reply #321 on: January 29, 2011, 05:55:11 AM »
Necropolitan.  Obviously.

Ghost 1.  Obviously.

Unseelie fey.  Verrrrrrrry arguably.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #322 on: January 29, 2011, 05:57:09 AM »
A93 Neopolitan Necropolitan for no lifespan at all.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #323 on: January 29, 2011, 06:03:05 AM »
Necropolitan.  Obviously.

Ghost 1.  Obviously.

Unseelie fey.  Verrrrrrrry arguably.


Yes the GM requires a pulse with the lifespan. Unseelie fey huh? Why arguably?

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« Reply #324 on: January 29, 2011, 06:42:52 AM »
The Wizards response to whether or not fey are immortal is canonically "hell if we know".
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #325 on: January 29, 2011, 10:46:23 AM »
Is there any reason you can't use an immortal base race, like elan, killoren, or warforged? 

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« Reply #326 on: January 29, 2011, 01:22:13 PM »
Is there any reason you can't use an immortal base race, like elan, killoren, or warforged? 

Going into Gnomish Shadowcrafter, so the base race is set.

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« Reply #327 on: January 29, 2011, 01:48:07 PM »
How do you feel about feats, items, and spells?  Have you read Immortality: A Guide to Eternal Life

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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #328 on: January 29, 2011, 02:00:12 PM »
Q 94 Is the casting as a wizard of 17th level that a black ethergaunt has independent of its hit dice (such that, supposing I make a simulacrum of said black ethergaunt, which by the nature of the spell has half the HD, does the simulacrum still cast as a wizard of 17th level)?
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #329 on: January 29, 2011, 02:03:12 PM »
Q 94 Is the casting as a wizard of 17th level that a black ethergaunt has independent of its hit dice (such that, supposing I make a simulacrum of said black ethergaunt, which by the nature of the spell has half the HD, does the simulacrum still cast as a wizard of 17th level)?
No. It's like dragons who cast as a sorcerer, and if they take sorcerer levels, they can cast more spells. The same goes for the ethergaunts. If they take wizard levels, their wizard casting goes up. So if they're at half HD, then they should be at half their current wizard level. Likely rounded down.

Have a peek at this thread. http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=7733.msg255597#msg255597
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #330 on: January 29, 2011, 02:10:29 PM »
Q 94 Is the casting as a wizard of 17th level that a black ethergaunt has independent of its hit dice (such that, supposing I make a simulacrum of said black ethergaunt, which by the nature of the spell has half the HD, does the simulacrum still cast as a wizard of 17th level)?
No. It's like dragons who cast as a sorcerer, and if they take sorcerer levels, they can cast more spells. The same goes for the ethergaunts. If they take wizard levels, their wizard casting goes up. So if they're at half HD, then they should be at half their current wizard level. Likely rounded down.

Have a peek at this thread. http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=7733.msg255597#msg255597
Actually by raw,Yes it would have the 17 level casting even if it is a similacrum....
An Etthergaunt is totally different from a dragon because the Ethergaunt's casting does not depend on his hit dice.....
The same thing would happen if you similacrum a Solar or a Planetar.....
What Kevin Suggests is a houserule ailbeit, a very reasonable one....

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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #331 on: January 29, 2011, 02:16:39 PM »
Q 94 Is the casting as a wizard of 17th level that a black ethergaunt has independent of its hit dice (such that, supposing I make a simulacrum of said black ethergaunt, which by the nature of the spell has half the HD, does the simulacrum still cast as a wizard of 17th level)?
No. It's like dragons who cast as a sorcerer, and if they take sorcerer levels, they can cast more spells. The same goes for the ethergaunts. If they take wizard levels, their wizard casting goes up. So if they're at half HD, then they should be at half their current wizard level. Likely rounded down.

Have a peek at this thread. http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=7733.msg255597#msg255597
Actually by raw,Yes it would have the 17 level casting even if it is a similacrum....
An Etthergaunt is totally different from a dragon because the Ethergaunt's casting does not depend on his hit dice.....
The same thing would happen if you similacrum a Solar or a Planetar.....
What Kevin Suggests is a houserule ailbeit, a very reasonable one....
Seriously? That can't be right. That would mean, RAW, that a black ethergaunt simulacrum, which would probably be CR 9 or 10, would have 17th level wizard casting capabilities. That seems kind of strong.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #332 on: January 29, 2011, 02:28:33 PM »
Q 94 Is the casting as a wizard of 17th level that a black ethergaunt has independent of its hit dice (such that, supposing I make a simulacrum of said black ethergaunt, which by the nature of the spell has half the HD, does the simulacrum still cast as a wizard of 17th level)?
No. It's like dragons who cast as a sorcerer, and if they take sorcerer levels, they can cast more spells. The same goes for the ethergaunts. If they take wizard levels, their wizard casting goes up. So if they're at half HD, then they should be at half their current wizard level. Likely rounded down.

Have a peek at this thread. http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=7733.msg255597#msg255597
Actually by raw,Yes it would have the 17 level casting even if it is a similacrum....
An Etthergaunt is totally different from a dragon because the Ethergaunt's casting does not depend on his hit dice.....
The same thing would happen if you similacrum a Solar or a Planetar.....
What Kevin Suggests is a houserule ailbeit, a very reasonable one....
Seriously? That can't be right. That would mean, RAW, that a black ethergaunt simulacrum, which would probably be CR 9 or 10, would have 17th level wizard casting capabilities. That seems kind of strong.
I know but unfortunately by raw a similacrum has all the abilities of the monster if it had half hit dice.....
Unfortunately for an Ethergaunt and other creatures(like a solar,Planetar)their casting is not dependent on their hit dice....
Just as an advanched solar to 30 hit dice would still cast as a 20 level caster ,a 10  hit dice similacrum of a solar would cast as a 20 too....
Now I know that this seems and it is silly,and most dms I know wouldn't even touch it.....

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« Reply #333 on: January 29, 2011, 02:35:36 PM »
I know but unfortunately by raw a similacrum has all the abilities of the monster if it had half hit dice.....
Unfortunately for an Ethergaunt and other creatures(like a solar,Planetar)their casting is not dependent on their hit dice....
Just as an advanched solar to 30 hit dice would still cast as a 20 level caster ,a 10  hit dice similacrum of a solar would cast as a 20 too....
Now I know that this seems and it is silly,and most dms I know wouldn't even touch it.....
Wow. I've already treated it like you could change it up, and that they weren't independent. That, like dragons, the first few HD developed other things, like their SLA, but later levels gave them cleric levels.

I guess it's all a matter of interpretation.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #334 on: January 29, 2011, 02:49:51 PM »
I know but unfortunately by raw a similacrum has all the abilities of the monster if it had half hit dice.....
Unfortunately for an Ethergaunt and other creatures(like a solar,Planetar)their casting is not dependent on their hit dice....
Just as an advanched solar to 30 hit dice would still cast as a 20 level caster ,a 10  hit dice similacrum of a solar would cast as a 20 too....
Now I know that this seems and it is silly,and most dms I know wouldn't even touch it.....
Wow. I've already treated it like you could change it up, and that they weren't independent. That, like dragons, the first few HD developed other things, like their SLA, but later levels gave them cleric levels.

I guess it's all a matter of interpretation.
No, it's not.  It's pretty much black-and-white RAW.

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« Reply #335 on: January 29, 2011, 02:51:31 PM »
I know but unfortunately by raw a similacrum has all the abilities of the monster if it had half hit dice.....
Unfortunately for an Ethergaunt and other creatures(like a solar,Planetar)their casting is not dependent on their hit dice....
Just as an advanched solar to 30 hit dice would still cast as a 20 level caster ,a 10  hit dice similacrum of a solar would cast as a 20 too....
Now I know that this seems and it is silly,and most dms I know wouldn't even touch it.....
Wow. I've already treated it like you could change it up, and that they weren't independent. That, like dragons, the first few HD developed other things, like their SLA, but later levels gave them cleric levels.

I guess it's all a matter of interpretation.
No, it's not.  It's pretty much black-and-white RAW.
I don't see it, and I'm fine with living with that ignorance.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #336 on: January 29, 2011, 02:52:16 PM »
I know but unfortunately by raw a similacrum has all the abilities of the monster if it had half hit dice.....
Unfortunately for an Ethergaunt and other creatures(like a solar,Planetar)their casting is not dependent on their hit dice....
Just as an advanched solar to 30 hit dice would still cast as a 20 level caster ,a 10  hit dice similacrum of a solar would cast as a 20 too....
Now I know that this seems and it is silly,and most dms I know wouldn't even touch it.....
Wow. I've already treated it like you could change it up, and that they weren't independent. That, like dragons, the first few HD developed other things, like their SLA, but later levels gave them cleric levels.

I guess it's all a matter of interpretation.
You see dragons change their caster level as they grow.....
For example an ancient gold has 15,a wyrm has 17 and a great wyrm has 19.....
Dragon are specific at when they get their abilities.....

Nothing similar is stated about other creatures like solars,planetars,Ethergaunts etc......
Of course I am not saying that it should work this way....
It is a dm's job  to change it to something more balanced......

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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #337 on: January 29, 2011, 05:12:05 PM »
Q 95: The Sugliin (weapon from Frostburn) deals 2d6 damage for a small weapon, and 2d8 damage for a Medium weapon.  How much damage should it do as a Large weapon? (for a goliath)

In the Larger and Smaller weapons table from the SRD, it doesn't have a line for medium weapons that deal 2d8 base damage.  When looking at other sizes and what happens to them, there are conflicting examples:

Almost every example of a 1d8 becomes 2d6 with a step up in category.
2d6 medium weapons become 3d6 large weapons (different from the 2d6 -> 2d8 step of the sugliin).
2d8 large weapons become 3d8 huge weapons.

So, should a Large Sugliin deal 4d6 or 3d8?

I'm the DM, btw, and just trying to make up my mind.  They both create 24 max damage, so I guess it doesn't REALLY matter...
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« Reply #338 on: January 29, 2011, 05:24:47 PM »
So, should a Large Sugliin deal 4d6 or 3d8?
14 average or 4d6 does .5 more damage on average and has a higher chance to deal average damage. It really doesn't make a different, just pick one.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #339 on: January 29, 2011, 05:29:29 PM »
Q 95: The Sugliin (weapon from Frostburn) deals 2d6 damage for a small weapon, and 2d8 damage for a Medium weapon.  How much damage should it do as a Large weapon? (for a goliath)

In the Larger and Smaller weapons table from the SRD, it doesn't have a line for medium weapons that deal 2d8 base damage.  When looking at other sizes and what happens to them, there are conflicting examples:

Almost every example of a 1d8 becomes 2d6 with a step up in category.
2d6 medium weapons become 3d6 large weapons (different from the 2d6 -> 2d8 step of the sugliin).
2d8 large weapons become 3d8 huge weapons.

So, should a Large Sugliin deal 4d6 or 3d8?

I'm the DM, btw, and just trying to make up my mind.  They both create 24 max damage, so I guess it doesn't REALLY matter...
it's both about the same; but yes, every example goes 2d8 --> 3d8.
even in the one example of small->medium = 2d6 -> 2d8 (monk 16) goes 2d6 -> 2d8 -> 3d8.

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