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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #200 on: January 24, 2011, 06:14:51 PM »
A 54 RAW, I'd say no. It's supposed to be when it'd lower you below 0 or more. Meaning that it assumes you have at least 1 HP and will be taking 1+ damage. But as it was said, it'd be up to the DM.

Also, doesn't Crusader's Strike require a standard action to use? You wouldn't be able to use that during an immediate action attack. However, if you were already in the Martial Stance, and didn't move the 5 ft, you could probably gain a benefit from that.
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« Reply #201 on: January 24, 2011, 06:44:48 PM »
A 54 RAW, I'd say no. It's supposed to be when it'd lower you below 0 or more. Meaning that it assumes you have at least 1 HP and will be taking 1+ damage. But as it was said, it'd be up to the DM.
I'd say yes by RAW for that exact reason. RAI, it's probably not (or at least, it most likely wasn't written with Delay Death in mind). However, let's see what happens if you take damage when at negative hit points (assuming the damage doesn't kill you):
Lowers your hit points? Damage lowers your hit points by definition, so undoubtedly.
Are your new hit points below zero? We're presuming that you're already at negative hit points. As we've established, the damage lowers your hit points. positive numbers or zero can't be lower than negative numbers, so the new hit point total has to be a negative number.
Thus, taking damage while below zero hit points lowers your hit points to below zero. I fail to see the problem.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #202 on: January 24, 2011, 06:46:33 PM »
A 54 RAW, I'd say no. It's supposed to be when it'd lower you below 0 or more. Meaning that it assumes you have at least 1 HP and will be taking 1+ damage. But as it was said, it'd be up to the DM.
I'd say yes by RAW for that exact reason. RAI, it's probably not (or at least, it most likely wasn't written with Delay Death in mind). However, let's see what happens if you take damage when at negative hit points (assuming the damage doesn't kill you):
Lowers your hit points? Damage lowers your hit points by definition, so undoubtedly.
Are your new hit points below zero? We're presuming that you're already at negative hit points. As we've established, the damage lowers your hit points. positive numbers or zero can't be lower than negative numbers, so the new hit point total has to be a negative number.
Thus, taking damage while below zero hit points lowers your hit points to below zero. I fail to see the problem.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #203 on: January 24, 2011, 06:56:14 PM »
A 54 RAW, I'd say no. It's supposed to be when it'd lower you below 0 or more. Meaning that it assumes you have at least 1 HP and will be taking 1+ damage. But as it was said, it'd be up to the DM.
I'd say yes by RAW for that exact reason. RAI, it's probably not (or at least, it most likely wasn't written with Delay Death in mind). However, let's see what happens if you take damage when at negative hit points (assuming the damage doesn't kill you):
Lowers your hit points? Damage lowers your hit points by definition, so undoubtedly.
Are your new hit points below zero? We're presuming that you're already at negative hit points. As we've established, the damage lowers your hit points. positive numbers or zero can't be lower than negative numbers, so the new hit point total has to be a negative number.
Thus, taking damage while below zero hit points lowers your hit points to below zero. I fail to see the problem.
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You think that's bad? I merely proved a<b<0 => a<0. Try visiting a calculus lecture at your local university once and follow the proof that 1/x is never exactly zero (for x<infinity). :p
The cliff notes version is if your hit points are already "0 or fewer", then taking damage can only "reduce you to 0 or fewer hit points", thus fulfilling the prerequisite for using the maneuver.
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #204 on: January 24, 2011, 06:58:16 PM »
Now you know how first-semester Physics students feel in their first calculus class. :p
The cliff notes version is if your hit points are already "0 or fewer", then taking damage can only "reduce you to 0 or fewer hit points", thus fulfilling the prerequisite for using the maneuver.
Physics. That explains a lot. I felt somewhat like that after my first Calculus class after we learned that 1+1=3.
It's still DM fiat though. If he/she will except that ruling, and not take it as RAI, then you're fine.
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« Reply #205 on: January 24, 2011, 07:09:17 PM »
Q55: Without level adjustment, caster level loss, or (Greater) Anyspell, what methods exist to give a Cleric Pounce?
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« Reply #206 on: January 24, 2011, 07:18:16 PM »
Now you know how first-semester Physics students feel in their first calculus class. :p
The cliff notes version is if your hit points are already "0 or fewer", then taking damage can only "reduce you to 0 or fewer hit points", thus fulfilling the prerequisite for using the maneuver.
Physics. That explains a lot. I felt somewhat like that after my first Calculus class after we learned that 1+1=3.
It's still DM fiat though. If he/she will except that ruling, and not take it as RAI, then you're fine.
Ah, yes. We were shown a similar proof as an example of what happens if you're not careful when proving stuff. The two classic mistakes are dividing by zero and extracting square roots while failing to note that squaring something ignores positive or negative.
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« Reply #207 on: January 24, 2011, 07:52:15 PM »
Q55: Without level adjustment, caster level loss, or (Greater) Anyspell, what methods exist to give a Cleric Pounce?
At the very least, Transformation and Animal domains for some spell turning you into a creature with Pounce.  (Shapechange for both, Polymorph for the first).
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« Reply #208 on: January 24, 2011, 08:05:42 PM »
Q55: Without level adjustment, caster level loss, or (Greater) Anyspell, what methods exist to give a Cleric Pounce?
UMD a wand or scoll of Lion's Charge.  Martial Scripts of Pouncing Charge, though those get pricey.  (Lion Totem Barbarian + Practiced Spellcaster.  Technically you haven't lost a CL that way. :p)
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #209 on: January 24, 2011, 08:31:07 PM »
Are there any exotic weapon rules for something like the assassin scarfs in from the Black Company book series? ( a length of cloth worn around your waist, with a small weight sewn into one end so it can be swung. When used properly it can lash out like a whip and wrap around the target's neck)

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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #210 on: January 24, 2011, 10:04:00 PM »
Q56 I was thinking of doing a druid combination with Planar Shepard and Sacred Fist just for the hell of it.  What would be the quickest way to get into the PrC's so as to get the most out of each?
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« Reply #211 on: January 24, 2011, 11:13:47 PM »
Q55: Without level adjustment, caster level loss, or (Greater) Anyspell, what methods exist to give a Cleric Pounce?

Easiest is that item from ToB that give you maneuvers from the Tiger Claw school.  You may need to combine a Lesser and standard version to meet prerequisites, and it's only once per encounter.

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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #212 on: January 25, 2011, 02:47:03 AM »
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Is there a guide to Incarnum anywhere? I've finally decided to look into the book (even though I acquired it about two or three years ago) and would appreciate a "cheat sheet" while I research.
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« Reply #213 on: January 25, 2011, 03:11:53 AM »
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Re: Ask a Simple Question 22: Bah weep gragnah weep nini bong
« Reply #214 on: January 25, 2011, 03:19:14 AM »
Q 58: What's the best/easiest way to get ranged attacks of opportunity with a long bow?
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« Reply #215 on: January 25, 2011, 03:22:58 AM »
Q 58: What's the best/easiest way to get ranged attacks of opportunity with a long bow?
Depends on what you want for range. I can't say it's "the best", but Arrow Mind (1st level spell from SpC) lets you make an AoO with a bow at melee range without provoking an AoO yourself. Other than that, the only one I'm aware of is Ranged Threat. It's a feat that let's you take a single AoO at 15', but it costs you all of your AoO that you'd get from Combat Reflexes. It's in Dragon 350. You need BAB +6, Combat Reflexes, Point Blank Shot, and Precise Shot.
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« Reply #216 on: January 25, 2011, 03:27:46 AM »
Q 58: What's the best/easiest way to get ranged attacks of opportunity with a long bow?
Depends on what you want for range. I can't say it's "the best", but Arrow Mind (1st level spell from SpC) lets you make an AoO with a bow at melee range without provoking an AoO yourself. Other than that, the only one I'm aware of is Ranged Threat. It's a feat that let's you take a single AoO at 15', but it costs you all of your AoO that you'd get from Combat Reflexes. It's in Dragon 350. You need BAB +6, Combat Reflexes, Point Blank Shot, and Precise Shot.
Both of those are... useless in the context I need. A mounted archer who hits the spell casters effecting his killer mount.

Q 59: Is there anyway to get more prepared actions?
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« Reply #217 on: January 25, 2011, 03:44:01 AM »
Q 58: What's the best/easiest way to get ranged attacks of opportunity with a long bow?
Depends on what you want for range. I can't say it's "the best", but Arrow Mind (1st level spell from SpC) lets you make an AoO with a bow at melee range without provoking an AoO yourself. Other than that, the only one I'm aware of is Ranged Threat. It's a feat that let's you take a single AoO at 15', but it costs you all of your AoO that you'd get from Combat Reflexes. It's in Dragon 350. You need BAB +6, Combat Reflexes, Point Blank Shot, and Precise Shot.
Both of those are... useless in the context I need. A mounted archer who hits the spell casters effecting his killer mount.

Q 59: Is there anyway to get more prepared actions?
That context would have been nice to know ahead of time, but probably still wouldn't have helped.

A belt of battle gives you more actions 1/day, depending on what you need. Having someone with White Raven Tactics will help too. Preferably a Marshal so that you can get additional move actions.
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« Reply #218 on: January 25, 2011, 03:57:36 AM »
Q 58: What's the best/easiest way to get ranged attacks of opportunity with a long bow?
Depends on what you want for range. I can't say it's "the best", but Arrow Mind (1st level spell from SpC) lets you make an AoO with a bow at melee range without provoking an AoO yourself. Other than that, the only one I'm aware of is Ranged Threat. It's a feat that let's you take a single AoO at 15', but it costs you all of your AoO that you'd get from Combat Reflexes. It's in Dragon 350. You need BAB +6, Combat Reflexes, Point Blank Shot, and Precise Shot.
Both of those are... useless in the context I need. A mounted archer who hits the spell casters effecting his killer mount.

Q 59: Is there anyway to get more prepared actions?
That context would have been nice to know ahead of time, but probably still wouldn't have helped.

A belt of battle gives you more actions 1/day, depending on what you need. Having someone with White Raven Tactics will help too. Preferably a Marshal so that you can get additional move actions.

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« Reply #219 on: January 25, 2011, 08:55:06 AM »

Q 60: What level are the 2 spells needed for the Dark Chaos Shuffle, and which book are they found in?