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Ban discussion
« on: January 03, 2011, 05:27:21 PM »
While outright bans are very rare here (I think i've only seen 2), the recent banning of AndyJames has brought something to light. Andy was running a game as well as in the process of joining another in the PbP section. His disappearance caused a fair bit of confusion. Can there be a sticky thread in this forum that will let us know when someone has been banned? That way we won't have the same situation as we did here, with us having to ask a mod what was going on.
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Re: Ban discussion
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2011, 05:46:27 PM »
im not defending andy in particular.

but im anti banning people for personality disorders.

he was in a off topic sub forum, so the proper place for showing your ass...

his behavior in the rest of the on topic areas has been fine, that i have seen.

and once banned they cannot be interactively ridiculed.

thats my 2c.

banning and closing threads is not how i think of bg.
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Re: Ban discussion
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2011, 05:48:39 PM »
He really crossed the line there.

I would think that locking the topic, a warning, and a couple week ban from BG (along with a longer ban from the particular forum in which it took place) would be enough for a first offense, though
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Re: Ban discussion
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2011, 05:51:36 PM »
^^
Agreed, on all counts.
While outright bans are very rare here (I think i've only seen 2), the recent banning of AndyJames has brought something to light. Andy was running a game as well as in the process of joining another in the PbP section. His disappearance caused a fair bit of confusion. Can there be a sticky thread in this forum that will let us know when someone has been banned? That way we won't have the same situation as we did here, with us having to ask a mod what was going on.
Might want to redefine that to proper members.
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Re: Ban discussion
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2011, 05:56:32 PM »
^^
Agreed, on all counts.
While outright bans are very rare here (I think i've only seen 2), the recent banning of AndyJames has brought something to light. Andy was running a game as well as in the process of joining another in the PbP section. His disappearance caused a fair bit of confusion. Can there be a sticky thread in this forum that will let us know when someone has been banned? That way we won't have the same situation as we did here, with us having to ask a mod what was going on.
Might want to redefine that to proper members.
Spambots have to be banned as they're spotted and it can get really tiring.
Yes that is baring Spam Bots, unless it is Phaedrus since he is an advanced spam bot  ;)
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Re: Ban discussion
« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2011, 01:05:40 AM »
hmm ... I thought this had happened before ... and I was right !!

http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=4508.msg184455#msg184455


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Re: Ban discussion
« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2011, 07:05:39 AM »
banning and closing threads is not how i think of bg.
To be entirely fair, that thread had gone on for quite some time relatively unchecked. I'll agree that he might not have merited a perma-ban for a first offense, but it was a hell of an offense.

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Re: Ban discussion
« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2011, 07:09:26 AM »
I'm kind of also assuming he was posting drunk at the time, given the date and time.
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Re: Ban discussion
« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2011, 07:24:18 AM »
I'm kind of also assuming he was posting drunk at the time, given the date and time.
Was he posting from New Zealand?

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Re: Ban discussion
« Reply #9 on: January 04, 2011, 07:28:04 AM »
I'm kind of also assuming he was posting drunk at the time, given the date and time.
Was he posting from New Zealand?
I think he was.
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Re: Ban discussion
« Reply #10 on: January 04, 2011, 08:13:34 AM »
banning and closing threads is not how i think of bg.
To be entirely fair, that thread had gone on for quite some time relatively unchecked. I'll agree that he might not have merited a perma-ban for a first offense, but it was a hell of an offense.

idk if he's mentally deficient or just an ass, but he was within the generally established board parameters. he was rude in an off topic 'bitching' aka 'rude' thread.

it goes against my nature for holding 'speech' against someone.

had he done that as derailing an on topic thread, or displayed repeat abusive behavior, then discipline may have became called for. but lapses of judgement are a key reason any of us are online / on a dnd forum / born. you cant go around holding people 'that' accountable for being an ass online. half this forums off topic content is from japan for godsakes... where is the good judgement there?

i submit that peer rebuking would have been the proper response, not totalitarian smiting.

and again not defending him, but i want to be able to give the old 'esad' every now and again. violence and abuse are not the answer, some times their a good guess.

on that topic i'll refer to the recent joe rogan faggot debacle. check the rogan interviews regarding his defense.

i dont care if he was drunk or sober, 13 or 30. he played by the rules (minus the not pissing meg off one) and 'you' bunch of 'andyjames'es over reacted.

now its my bed time, im all worked up, my dog is still dead, i dont have my ar inhand yet and i left half a beer in the bathroom (litteraly, its on the sink, ima go get it)

till next time, unless im promoted to emperor in absentia.
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Re: Ban discussion
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2011, 10:25:32 AM »
Yeah, there's a certain amount of being an ass that's allowed, but andy crossed the line when he started in on another poster's recently dead relative.  That's just uncalled for.
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Re: Ban discussion
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2011, 11:08:19 AM »
Pretty much.

Though given that the post was actually civil before editing in the attack, I suspect much alcohol was involved.
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Re: Ban discussion
« Reply #13 on: January 05, 2011, 02:36:41 AM »
okay, so johnny comes over to your house after work every day to hang-out.
sometimes he hits the bar before coming over.  when he's drunk, he likes to smash-out your windows and break your furniture.
sorry, but even if he only gets drunk on fridays, johnny's not coming to my house anymore.

another analogy might be:
if you get caught speeding, the cop might let you off with a warning.  if you intentionally run somebody over, the cop's not gonna be real concerned with how fast you were going ... and it doesn't matter if you were drunk or not.

as to the whole speech thing -- one person's rights end where another's begin.  one should have a reasonable expectation of being able to post in a thread (regardless of the topic) without what happened to SkyDragonKnight.

and just chalking it up to "oh well, he was probably just drunk" ... that's just making excuses.  he really did cross the line -- and that should have consequences.

as far as the rippling effects:
having a sticky or something seems like it would be akin to celebrating when it happens -- which just seems unhealthy (for the board in general, that is), and would seem to encourage a certain level of immaturity that just wouldn't be needed.
as inconvenient as it may be, that's just how things work out sometimes :shrug

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Re: Ban discussion
« Reply #14 on: January 05, 2011, 03:08:37 AM »
Eh, if you post your email up to /b/, you're kind of asking for it.
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Re: Ban discussion
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2011, 06:08:01 AM »
i see a big difference between my house and an internet forum.

the forum is a public gathering place, a mostly public gathering place...

i may kick you out of my house for being an ass on the first offense, but i will not kick you out of a public place for it.

drunk is not an excuse, you need no excuse for speech.

rights do not end where other begin, they dont come with responsibilities either. rights are 'inalienable', you have the right to speak, and to shut up, most of us can barely do either. some can do both at the same time even.

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Re: Ban discussion
« Reply #16 on: January 05, 2011, 03:06:53 PM »
Thing is, this is their house to an extent. The BGs have a podcast - you may have heard of it. :p Potential listeners will come here, and they don't want to lose audience because someone is scaring them off.
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Re: Ban discussion
« Reply #17 on: January 05, 2011, 04:54:54 PM »
a better comparison would be a mall. and yes it is privately own, and signing up for an account means you agree to terms.

im not saying banning was legally/technically wrong, im saying it was disappointing and i would not have done it and do not condone it.

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Re: Ban discussion
« Reply #18 on: January 06, 2011, 02:04:14 AM »
Yea, I was quite pleased to see the thread locked with such haste after such a comment.

I was saddened to hear that a member that had actually been rather positive and decent everywhere else on the boards was permanently banned outright as a result.

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« Reply #19 on: January 06, 2011, 02:37:55 AM »
as my biology prof point out today about a former prof of his, "he is a bastard but also a very good scientist."

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