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Re: Everything gestalt (class)
« Reply #20 on: December 30, 2010, 04:51:57 AM »
This looks intensely overly complicated.  I want to play it.
A man jumps out of the wall at you, and instantly severs both your arms with a holy psychic daitou which is also poisoned and on fire. As you try to run away, you trip. Then he clenches his fist and your heart explodes. Then he brings you back to life and does it again.
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Re: Everything gestalt (class)
« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2010, 05:18:47 AM »
This looks intensely overly complicated.  I want to play it.
A man jumps out of the wall at you, and instantly severs both your arms with a holy psychic daitou which is also poisoned and on fire. As you try to run away, you trip. Then he clenches his fist and your heart explodes. Then he brings you back to life and does it again.

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Re: Everything gestalt (class)
« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2010, 05:55:53 AM »
This looks intensely overly complicated.  I want to play it.
A man jumps out of the wall at you, and instantly severs both your arms with a holy psychic daitou which is also poisoned and on fire. As you try to run away, you trip. Then he clenches his fist and your heart explodes. Then he brings you back to life and does it again.

See?  I WANT TO DO THAT!
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Re: Everything gestalt (class)
« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2010, 12:15:10 AM »
A man jumps out of the wall at you, and instantly severs both your arms with a holy psychic daitou which is also poisoned and on fire. As you try to run away, you trip. Then he clenches his fist and your heart explodes. Then he brings you back to life and does it again.

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Re: Everything gestalt (class)
« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2010, 05:43:56 AM »
Needs moar Divine Mind.

Just because, really.
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Sounds fine to me.
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Re: Everything gestalt (class)
« Reply #25 on: December 31, 2010, 06:22:05 AM »
Also the mountebank from dragon compendium.
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Re: Everything gestalt (class)
« Reply #26 on: December 31, 2010, 04:13:45 PM »
Soulborn too, I believe.

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Re: Everything gestalt (class)
« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2011, 10:32:17 AM »
I'm thinking Divine mind might be enough to push it to Tier 2, but I would need to look at its list a little more

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Re: Everything gestalt (class)
« Reply #29 on: May 02, 2011, 03:35:01 PM »
Added Rokugan ninja. Adds Improved Uncanny Dodge, Int to initiative, and upgrades Sudden Strike to Sneak Attack.

Definitely T3 by this point. :p
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The tier system in a nutshell:
[spoiler]Tier 6: A cartographer.
Tier 5: An expert cartographer or a decent marksman.
Tier 4: An expert marksman.
Tier 3: An expert marksman, cartographer and chef who can tie strong knots and is trained in hostage negotiation or a marksman so good he can shoot down every bullet fired by a minigun while armed with a rusted single-shot pistol that veers to the left.
Tier 2: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything, or the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.
Tier 1: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything and the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.[/spoiler]

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Re: Everything gestalt (class)
« Reply #30 on: May 02, 2011, 07:26:10 PM »
How is this fair towards Rogues, Barbarians and other tier 4s?
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Re: Everything gestalt (class)
« Reply #31 on: May 02, 2011, 07:44:14 PM »
How is this fair towards Rogues, Barbarians and other tier 4s?
How is the existence of any tier 3 fair towards tier 4s? ???
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The tier system in a nutshell:
[spoiler]Tier 6: A cartographer.
Tier 5: An expert cartographer or a decent marksman.
Tier 4: An expert marksman.
Tier 3: An expert marksman, cartographer and chef who can tie strong knots and is trained in hostage negotiation or a marksman so good he can shoot down every bullet fired by a minigun while armed with a rusted single-shot pistol that veers to the left.
Tier 2: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything, or the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.
Tier 1: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything and the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.[/spoiler]

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Re: Everything gestalt (class)
« Reply #32 on: May 02, 2011, 09:23:56 PM »
How is this fair towards Rogues, Barbarians and other tier 4s?
How is the existence of any tier 3 fair towards tier 4s? ???
That is a failure of the games designers, they didn't new what they where doing.
You know better, right? Don't make the same mistakes that you're complaining about.
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Optimizing is the antithesis of roleplaying because it takes focus away from the important parts of the game.
I'm inclined to disagree. People work hard on there characters, there personality, back ground, appearance, so forth. No one wants there character that they have invested time, energy, thought, and probably emotion in to be killed because they didn't take strong enough feats or skills or spells or what have you.

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Re: Everything gestalt (class)
« Reply #33 on: May 02, 2011, 09:35:37 PM »
How is this fair towards Rogues, Barbarians and other tier 4s?
How is the existence of any tier 3 fair towards tier 4s? ???
That is a failure of the games designers, they didn't new what they where doing.
You know better, right? Don't make the same mistakes that you're complaining about.
So do you propose that every homebrew thought experiment be tailored to the lowest common denominator?
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Re: Everything gestalt (class)
« Reply #34 on: May 02, 2011, 09:44:21 PM »
How is this fair towards Rogues, Barbarians and other tier 4s?
How is the existence of any tier 3 fair towards tier 4s? ???
That is a failure of the games designers, they didn't new what they where doing.
You know better, right? Don't make the same mistakes that you're complaining about.
So do you propose that every homebrew thought experiment be tailored to the lowest common denominator?
No, I'm asking what will you do about other lower tier classes. Mixing tier 5s and 6s into a tier 3 is nice and stuff, but if you do it then do something with tier 4s too.
All classes should be AT LEAST tier 3 to be playable. Otherwise it's not fair and defeats the purpose of this experiment.
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Optimizing is the antithesis of roleplaying because it takes focus away from the important parts of the game.
I'm inclined to disagree. People work hard on there characters, there personality, back ground, appearance, so forth. No one wants there character that they have invested time, energy, thought, and probably emotion in to be killed because they didn't take strong enough feats or skills or spells or what have you.

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Re: Everything gestalt (class)
« Reply #35 on: May 02, 2011, 10:07:28 PM »
How is this fair towards Rogues, Barbarians and other tier 4s?
How is the existence of any tier 3 fair towards tier 4s? ???
That is a failure of the games designers, they didn't new what they where doing.
You know better, right? Don't make the same mistakes that you're complaining about.
So do you propose that every homebrew thought experiment be tailored to the lowest common denominator?
No, I'm asking what will you do about other lower tier classes. Mixing tier 5s and 6s into a tier 3 is nice and stuff, but if you do it then do something with tier 4s too.
All classes should be AT LEAST tier 3 to be playable. Otherwise it's not fair and defeats the purpose of this experiment.

So, what then? Are you suggesting that every homebrew class should also include a rewrite of the T4 and lower classes? Or are you just suggesting a similar "everything gestalt" of the T4 classes to go alongside this one (containing the T5 and T6 classes)?
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Re: Everything gestalt (class)
« Reply #36 on: May 02, 2011, 10:42:56 PM »
How is this fair towards Rogues, Barbarians and other tier 4s?
How is the existence of any tier 3 fair towards tier 4s? ???
That is a failure of the games designers, they didn't new what they where doing.
You know better, right? Don't make the same mistakes that you're complaining about.
So do you propose that every homebrew thought experiment be tailored to the lowest common denominator?
No, I'm asking what will you do about other lower tier classes. Mixing tier 5s and 6s into a tier 3 is nice and stuff, but if you do it then do something with tier 4s too.
All classes should be AT LEAST tier 3 to be playable. Otherwise it's not fair and defeats the purpose of this experiment.

So, what then? Are you suggesting that every homebrew class should also include a rewrite of the T4 and lower classes? Or are you just suggesting a similar "everything gestalt" of the T4 classes to go alongside this one (containing the T5 and T6 classes)?
The second. But I'm afraid that it isn't gonna work because then the classes would be too similar. :/
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Optimizing is the antithesis of roleplaying because it takes focus away from the important parts of the game.
I'm inclined to disagree. People work hard on there characters, there personality, back ground, appearance, so forth. No one wants there character that they have invested time, energy, thought, and probably emotion in to be killed because they didn't take strong enough feats or skills or spells or what have you.

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Re: Everything gestalt (class)
« Reply #37 on: May 04, 2011, 05:27:20 PM »
The second. But I'm afraid that it isn't gonna work because then the classes would be too similar. :/

Not necessarily. There are fewer classes to mash together, but it would be different. It would rage, get favored enemy bonuses, and sneak attack/skirmish, some all-day warlock abilities, etc. If you throw in some limited ability to cast spells while in a rage (maybe patch up Rage Mage a bit and toss it in there at later levels), it would be a fairly interesting class. Maybe not entirely effective, but since it has Ranger in there you could qualify for Sword of the Arcane Order as well as this thread's class can, and you'd already be getting ranger, hexblade, and warmage spells. Not a terrible mashup, unless there's no ability to cast while raging.

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Re: Everything gestalt (class)
« Reply #38 on: May 08, 2011, 04:27:53 PM »
I may be playtesting this on GitP soon, i'll keep you informed on how it goes.

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Re: Everything gestalt (class)
« Reply #39 on: May 11, 2011, 07:17:22 AM »
I may be playtesting this on GitP soon, i'll keep you informed on how it goes.
Well, link us to the thread once it's up.
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