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Re: Infinite Attacks. Yay, 4E's Borked.
« Reply #60 on: July 17, 2008, 12:44:36 AM »
...I swear he's speaking English, because I know what most of the words ARE....

Oops.

I misspelled "than" with a "T".
{ ... insert 3rd grade english teacher smiley face ... }


The *golem* part might be accurately described as an AI.
Throw in a Maximize and an Empower on the Awaken part; and the Charisma might be 5 or 6.
I obviously have a difficult time Diplomacy persuading anyone of anything ...
... regardless of the Sense Motive checks that fail against me.

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« Reply #61 on: July 17, 2008, 03:32:57 AM »
regardless of the Sense Motive checks that fail against me.

They'll all to find the hidden meaning.

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« Reply #62 on: July 17, 2008, 07:55:47 AM »
Also, it is worth noting that cascade of blades has been errata'ed.

http://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/UpdatePH.pdf

Here is the affected part.

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Blade Cascade [Revision]
Player’s Handbook, page 109
On the Attack line, replace the second sentence with “Alternate main and offhand weapon attacks until you miss or until you make five attacks.”

Looks like this is the last bastion of infinite attacks... :D
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« Reply #63 on: July 17, 2008, 05:28:41 PM »
They just pulled that "limit of 5 attacks on blade cascade" errata completely out of their asses.

WOTC ftL.

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Re: Infinite Attacks. Yay, 4E's Borked.
« Reply #64 on: July 17, 2008, 06:22:00 PM »
They just pulled that "limit of 5 attacks on blade cascade" errata completely out of their asses.

WOTC ftL.

Yep. Course they did. You were expecting something else? :P
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« Reply #65 on: July 17, 2008, 07:14:47 PM »
I'd think bullshitting its way through problems is standard WotC procedure.
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« Reply #66 on: July 17, 2008, 07:17:34 PM »
Well what would have made more sense was limiting Blade Cascade to solely a Blade Cascade special attack sans absolutely any other effects.

Blade Cascade, in and of itself, is not ridiculous.  The problem is tossing in something like Imperiling Strike.

I don't know about everyone else, but in groups I've played with we find it fun and a great way to build dramatic tension and excitement if someone keeps making roll after roll.  The group collectively stops what they're doing and becomes captivated by the result of the roll, that's what I thought they were originally "going for" in terms of BC.

They could have errata'd Blade Cascade to something like "You make a single attack with BC, ignoring all other modifiers to your attack rolls.  Roll a d20, if you make a 11+ you hit regardless of AC/Defense/etc.  If you hit in this way, you may continue to attack under the same conditions, if you miss BC ends."

I mean, I thought the intention of BC was to set up a fun "roll-fest" and see how many times the player can manage to make that 11+, not limiting it to 5 which is an entirely arbitrary convention.  Why 5 and not 4 or 6 or 3 or 7?  What's special about 5?

Stupid Wizards.  My limited experience with 4th ed has been luke warm at best, and pulling random limitations out of their ass to a poorly play-tested product really grinds my gears.

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« Reply #67 on: July 17, 2008, 10:09:20 PM »
Well what would have made more sense was limiting Blade Cascade to solely a Blade Cascade special attack sans absolutely any other effects.

Blade Cascade, in and of itself, is not ridiculous.  The problem is tossing in something like Imperiling Strike.

I don't know about everyone else, but in groups I've played with we find it fun and a great way to build dramatic tension and excitement if someone keeps making roll after roll.  The group collectively stops what they're doing and becomes captivated by the result of the roll, that's what I thought they were originally "going for" in terms of BC.

They could have errata'd Blade Cascade to something like "You make a single attack with BC, ignoring all other modifiers to your attack rolls.  Roll a d20, if you make a 11+ you hit regardless of AC/Defense/etc.  If you hit in this way, you may continue to attack under the same conditions, if you miss BC ends."

I mean, I thought the intention of BC was to set up a fun "roll-fest" and see how many times the player can manage to make that 11+, not limiting it to 5 which is an entirely arbitrary convention.  Why 5 and not 4 or 6 or 3 or 7?  What's special about 5?

Stupid Wizards.  My limited experience with 4th ed has been luke warm at best, and pulling random limitations out of their ass to a poorly play-tested product really grinds my gears.

I like 4e.

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« Reply #68 on: July 17, 2008, 10:13:30 PM »
I like 4e.
Same here.

I saw the nerf bat coming a while ago. I would've been surprised if they didn't nerf it.

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Re: Infinite Attacks. Yay, 4E's Borked.
« Reply #69 on: July 17, 2008, 10:47:19 PM »
Speaking of surprising non-nerfs, no Blood Pulse/Bolstering Blood errata.
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« Reply #70 on: July 18, 2008, 02:41:07 AM »
Speaking of surprising non-nerfs, no Blood Pulse/Bolstering Blood errata.

Especially since I was told I could *expect one soon* by CS after I pointed out just how different BB's wording was from their intention.
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Re: Infinite Attacks. Yay, 4E's Borked.
« Reply #71 on: July 18, 2008, 06:32:14 PM »
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Speaking of surprising non-nerfs, no Blood Pulse/Bolstering Blood errata.

I suppose we can expect that to be in the future... though not too soon. Blade Cascade apparently had to be fixed immediately, so they pulled that stuff outta their asses.
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