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Re: Town of Terror
« Reply #40 on: December 03, 2010, 08:21:26 PM »
I'm thinking I'll try out an Idiot Crusader. Is that going to be OK?

I can start it early!
By that you mean, having your maneuvers refreshed every single turn?
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Re: Town of Terror
« Reply #41 on: December 03, 2010, 08:37:52 PM »
Yeah. It'll only be those 2 Divine Spirit Maneuvers, though.
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On a strange note, would anyone be put out if we had a post about people or events we can spare a thought for, or if its within their creed, a prayer for? Just a random thought, but ... hells I wouldn't have known about either Archangels daughter or Saeomons niece if I didn't happen to be on these threads.
Sounds fine to me.
probably over on "Off-topic".
might want to put a little disclaimer in the first post.

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Re: Town of Terror
« Reply #42 on: December 03, 2010, 09:12:24 PM »
Can you even pull that off at first level? Or does it just require a feat in addition to taking warblade?
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Re: Town of Terror
« Reply #43 on: December 03, 2010, 10:01:35 PM »
Nope, Idiot Crusader doesn't start until 2nd level at the earliest. You need at least one other class before your first Crusader level to soak up the maneuvers you can learn. If you just take them at 1st level with Martial Study you'll be forced to add them to your Crusader maneuvers known, which is counterproductive.
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Re: Town of Terror
« Reply #44 on: December 03, 2010, 10:10:43 PM »
Hmm, it could actually be pulled off with extra granted or study, I think.

Nope, Idiot Crusader doesn't start until 2nd level at the earliest. You need at least one other class before your first Crusader level to soak up the maneuvers you can learn. If you just take them at 1st level with Martial Study you'll be forced to add them to your Crusader maneuvers known, which is counterproductive.
First level is gestalt, assuming he took warblade, plus granted or study, I think it works, at least until level three.
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Re: Town of Terror
« Reply #45 on: December 03, 2010, 10:17:52 PM »
Hmm, it could actually be pulled off with extra granted or study, I think.

Nope, Idiot Crusader doesn't start until 2nd level at the earliest. You need at least one other class before your first Crusader level to soak up the maneuvers you can learn. If you just take them at 1st level with Martial Study you'll be forced to add them to your Crusader maneuvers known, which is counterproductive.
First level is gestalt, assuming he took warblade, plus granted or study, I think it works, at least until level three.

If the first level is gestalt, then yes, it can work from level 1. Warblade plus either Martial Study or Extra Granted Maneuver will do it (be eating 3 or 4 of the 6 possible Crusader maneuvers and having 2 or 3 granted maneuvers). As long as you don't take any more levels of Crusader, the fast refreshing will last indefinitely. Remember, Crusader grants you new maneuvers known only when you take a level in it (so you won't be forced to learn new maneuvers just by raising your IL), but it also makes you know maneuvers based on a total, not based on additional maneuvers each level. That means that even if you only take the 2nd level of Crusader (which normally doesn't give any new maneuvers known) you'll be forced to pick new maneuvers until you have 5 known. You can safely take the second level (for the stance and Cha to Will saves) at 2nd level, but after that you'll be able to learn 2nd level maneuvers and you'll be forced to pick some.
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Re: Town of Terror
« Reply #46 on: December 03, 2010, 11:19:13 PM »
Idiot Crusader... for the lols. :lol

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Re: Town of Terror
« Reply #47 on: December 04, 2010, 12:02:06 AM »
I dunno, it say you start with the knowledge of five, and then goes on to say you get additional maneuvers at higher levels. Every time you would go up a level, regardless of class, wouldn't you check class features? Seeing as your IL, unlike caster levels, advances without taking the class.
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Re: Town of Terror
« Reply #48 on: December 04, 2010, 12:10:42 AM »
Usually, abilities of a class that talk about level refer to your level in that class.

If maneuvers known were based at all on your IL instead of your level in a given initiating class, I'd agree with you. However, since your IL only determines what you maximum maneuver level is, not how many you know, and since the gaining of maneuvers known is a class feature talks about your level without stating that its referring to anything other than the default level in that context (class level), I'm pretty sure the trick still works.
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Re: Town of Terror
« Reply #49 on: December 04, 2010, 12:17:25 AM »
I agree the trick works, but the retention of the trick is what I am questioning. For this game, there should be no problem, assuming he only takes crusader at first level, with there being no fifth level, or IL 3 and access to second level manuevers.
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Re: Town of Terror
« Reply #50 on: December 04, 2010, 01:31:43 AM »
Well, theoretically, I could go Crusader//Warblade, Crusader, Warblade, Warblade. That would mean that I have a bunch of recharging 1st level maneuvers, and a couple second level maneuvers.

I'll have fun with this.
[spoiler]Fighter: "I can kill a guy in one turn."
Cleric: "I can kill a guy in half a turn."
Wizard: "I can kill a guy before my turn."
Bard: "I can get three idiots to kill guys for me."

On a strange note, would anyone be put out if we had a post about people or events we can spare a thought for, or if its within their creed, a prayer for? Just a random thought, but ... hells I wouldn't have known about either Archangels daughter or Saeomons niece if I didn't happen to be on these threads.
Sounds fine to me.
probably over on "Off-topic".
might want to put a little disclaimer in the first post.

This is the Min/Max board. We should be able to figure out a way to optimize the POWER OF PRAYER(TM) that doesn't involve "Pazuzu, Pazuzu, Pazuzu".
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Re: Town of Terror
« Reply #51 on: December 04, 2010, 01:45:55 AM »
Can I take the whole Bind Vestige feat chain at first level? Pretty please, I've got a really good reason for doing it.
[spoiler]Fighter: "I can kill a guy in one turn."
Cleric: "I can kill a guy in half a turn."
Wizard: "I can kill a guy before my turn."
Bard: "I can get three idiots to kill guys for me."

On a strange note, would anyone be put out if we had a post about people or events we can spare a thought for, or if its within their creed, a prayer for? Just a random thought, but ... hells I wouldn't have known about either Archangels daughter or Saeomons niece if I didn't happen to be on these threads.
Sounds fine to me.
probably over on "Off-topic".
might want to put a little disclaimer in the first post.

This is the Min/Max board. We should be able to figure out a way to optimize the POWER OF PRAYER(TM) that doesn't involve "Pazuzu, Pazuzu, Pazuzu".
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Re: Town of Terror
« Reply #52 on: December 04, 2010, 02:00:17 AM »
Well, theoretically, I could go Crusader//Warblade, Crusader, Warblade, Warblade. That would mean that I have a bunch of recharging 1st level maneuvers, and a couple second level maneuvers.

I'll have fun with this.
With a second level of crusader and then two warblade, brings you to IL 3 for crusader.

Can I take the whole Bind Vestige feat chain at first level? Pretty please, I've got a really good reason for doing it.
I see nothing stopping you save having enough feats.
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Re: Town of Terror
« Reply #53 on: December 04, 2010, 02:11:14 AM »
I'm not going to swap for higher levels, since I'll lose my nice little recharge mechanic.

I just noticed I'll have a lot of Charisma focus. This always happens with me...
[spoiler]Fighter: "I can kill a guy in one turn."
Cleric: "I can kill a guy in half a turn."
Wizard: "I can kill a guy before my turn."
Bard: "I can get three idiots to kill guys for me."

On a strange note, would anyone be put out if we had a post about people or events we can spare a thought for, or if its within their creed, a prayer for? Just a random thought, but ... hells I wouldn't have known about either Archangels daughter or Saeomons niece if I didn't happen to be on these threads.
Sounds fine to me.
probably over on "Off-topic".
might want to put a little disclaimer in the first post.

This is the Min/Max board. We should be able to figure out a way to optimize the POWER OF PRAYER(TM) that doesn't involve "Pazuzu, Pazuzu, Pazuzu".
[/spoiler]

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Re: Town of Terror
« Reply #54 on: December 04, 2010, 05:15:50 AM »
I'm a bit lost here, how does Idiot Crusader actually work?

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Re: Town of Terror
« Reply #55 on: December 04, 2010, 10:38:27 AM »
You can't take a manuever with different IL classes. For instance, you couldn't take Battle Leader's Charge asboth a warblade and a crusader. By limiting the number of available manuevers to your crusader side, you intentionally force yourself to only being able to know the same number of maneuvers to get dealt, so they are always available.
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Re: Town of Terror
« Reply #56 on: December 04, 2010, 10:49:52 AM »
You can't take a manuever with different IL classes. For instance, you couldn't take Battle Leader's Charge asboth a warblade and a crusader. By limiting the number of available manuevers to your crusader side, you intentionally force yourself to only being able to know the same number of maneuvers to get dealt, so they are always available.
so if I got this correctly: you g crusader/warblade, and take with warblade maneuvers that are on the crusader list, so that you could only take 3 maneuvers or so as crusader?

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Re: Town of Terror
« Reply #57 on: December 04, 2010, 10:51:38 AM »
Correct.
[Spoiler]
A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.

Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY!
They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
Best metaphor I have seen in a long time.  I give you much fu.
Three Errata for the Mage-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Barbarian-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Monks doomed to die,
One for the Wizard on his dark throne
In the Land of Charop where the Shadows lie.
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Re: Town of Terror
« Reply #58 on: December 04, 2010, 07:44:42 PM »
Alright, I'm claiming this technically isn't a doublepost because it's been 8 hours since I last posted.

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[Spoiler]
A gygaxian dungeon is like the world's most messed up game show.

Behind door number one: INSTANT DEATH!
Behind door number 2: A magic crown!
Behind door number 3: 4d6 giant bees, and THREE HUNDRED POUNDS OF HONEY!
They don't/haven't, was the point. 3.5 is as dead as people not liking nice tits.

Sometimes, their tits (3.5) get enhancements (houserules), but that doesn't mean people don't like nice tits.

Though sometimes, the surgeon (DM) botches them pretty bad...
Best metaphor I have seen in a long time.  I give you much fu.
Three Errata for the Mage-kings under the sky,
Seven for the Barbarian-lords in their halls of stone,
Nine for Mortal Monks doomed to die,
One for the Wizard on his dark throne
In the Land of Charop where the Shadows lie.
[/spoiler]

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Re: Town of Terror
« Reply #59 on: December 04, 2010, 10:37:10 PM »
I will be playing a Warforged Fighter // Artificer. He will be a melee guy. Artificer is just for a few self-heals and generic skills.

Completing the sheet and background now.

Umm... Do we have anyone who can find and disable traps and open locks??
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