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Re: Brainstorming thread for a Psionic Tricks Handbook
« Reply #40 on: December 04, 2010, 05:23:44 PM »
no.... in the SRD .... here:

http://www.systemreferencedocuments.org/resources/systems/pennpaper/dnd35/soveliorsage/psionicPowersQtoW.html#retrieve

Retrieve
Psychoportation (Teleportation)
Level: Psion/wilder 6
Display: Visual
Manifesting Time: 1 standard action
Range: Medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./ level)
Target: One object you can hold or carry in one hand, weighing up to 10 lb./level
Duration: Instantaneous
Saving Throw: Will negates; see text
Power Resistance: No
Power Points: 11

You automatically teleport an item you can see within range directly to your hand. If the object is in the possession of an opponent, it comes to your hand if your opponent fails a Will save.

Augment: For every additional power point you spend, the weight limit of the target increases by 10 pounds.



the drawback ....... the item must be with Range of the Power(Retrieve)
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Re: Brainstorming thread for a Psionic Tricks Handbook
« Reply #41 on: December 04, 2010, 05:34:38 PM »
Yeah, but for Remote Viewing you'll be within 30 feet of the target object anyway.  The real problem is the doubling of the PP cost to manifest through Remote Viewing.

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Re: Brainstorming thread for a Psionic Tricks Handbook
« Reply #42 on: December 04, 2010, 05:38:38 PM »
Yeah, but for Remote Viewing you'll be within 30 feet of the target object anyway.  The real problem is the doubling of the PP cost to manifest through Remote Viewing.
you dont have to Manifest "thru" the Vemote View sensor if you are within Range of Retrieve(Medium (100 ft. + 10 ft./ level)..... Remote View simply allows you to "See" the target


can be done by a 13th lvl Psion

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Re: Brainstorming thread for a Psionic Tricks Handbook
« Reply #43 on: December 04, 2010, 06:31:34 PM »
Oh.  Oh my.  Nice.

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Re: Brainstorming thread for a Psionic Tricks Handbook
« Reply #44 on: December 09, 2010, 12:55:33 PM »
I get that it says "any item you can see" in the flavor text, but the rules block says "target: one object..."

Remote Viewing covers line-of-sight, but due to the target, don't you also need line-of-effect?

(edit: hmmm, burrowing power might help depending upon what obstacles block line-of-effect)
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Re: Brainstorming thread for a Psionic Tricks Handbook
« Reply #45 on: December 09, 2010, 01:13:24 PM »
I get that it says "any item you can see" in the flavor text, but the rules block says "target: one object..."

Remote Viewing covers line-of-sight, but due to the target, don't you also need line-of-effect?
The power is originating from your "quasi-real viewpoint", created by Remote Viewing. If your objection held, you couldn't manifest anything through Remote Viewing. Read the power, it explicitly lets you manifest things through it. It's not "psionic Scry".


It's kind of stupid that Retrieve is a 6th level power, IMO. Without using it in combination with Remote Viewing, it seems like it should be at most 3rd level.
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Re: Brainstorming thread for a Psionic Tricks Handbook
« Reply #46 on: December 09, 2010, 01:20:34 PM »
I took it from Carnivor's last post that he suggests not using the option to manifest through remote viewing (just using it to see through), and instead manifesting normally from your real position.

Quote from: SRD?
"You can attempt" to maniftest through it either means that is your only option... or you still have the option to manifest powers normally (meaning not using your quasi-real viewpoint, but using your actual viewpoint?).  I could go either way on this one.  

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Re: Brainstorming thread for a Psionic Tricks Handbook
« Reply #47 on: December 09, 2010, 01:23:06 PM »
Binder+ Psionic vestige (any) + Metaconcert.  If the Binder is set to be the director of the Metaconcert, he can manifest any powers known of the participants as Supernatural abilities.  I'm sure this can be exploited.

NOTE: The Binder MUST be using his vestige-granted manifesting for this to work.
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Re: Brainstorming thread for a Psionic Tricks Handbook
« Reply #48 on: December 09, 2010, 01:43:18 PM »
I took it from Carnivor's last post that he suggests not using the option to manifest through remote viewing (just using it to see through), and instead manifesting normally from your real position.

Quote from: SRD?
"You can attempt" to maniftest through it either means that is your only option... or you still have the option to manifest powers normally (meaning not using your quasi-real viewpoint, but using your actual viewpoint?).  I could go either way on this one.  
Oh, I didn't notice his last post... Sorry. Yeah, I agree with you in that case. Using it through the Remote Viewing sensor is pretty damned spiffy, though, if you can get the ML necessary for it.
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Re: Brainstorming thread for a Psionic Tricks Handbook
« Reply #49 on: December 09, 2010, 11:16:31 PM »
So, should I amend the Carmen San Diego trick once more?

Also, I've added some more tricks from the GitP thread.

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Re: Brainstorming thread for a Psionic Tricks Handbook
« Reply #50 on: December 10, 2010, 11:13:53 AM »
So, should I amend the Carmen San Diego trick once more?
no, it is fine as is ....but i would use Clairvoyant Sense instead, Remote View requires you to target a creature(Will,Negates) .... Clairvoyant Sense works better since it is more in the radius of the Retrieve Power anyway ... for Obvious Locations

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Re: Brainstorming thread for a Psionic Tricks Handbook
« Reply #51 on: December 10, 2010, 08:39:07 PM »
would someone explain how these synchronicity shenanigans work? it seems to me like all you are able to do with a 3pp one is take your standard action any time you want to in a round... it doesnt seem to grant any additional actions or such...

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Re: Brainstorming thread for a Psionic Tricks Handbook
« Reply #52 on: December 10, 2010, 09:15:15 PM »
Immediate action allows you to take a standard action at the expense of next-round's standard. Combine with, say, Linked Power (synchronicity) or Twin Power, and you get two standards for the cost of a swift and a standard.
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Re: Brainstorming thread for a Psionic Tricks Handbook
« Reply #53 on: December 10, 2010, 10:05:43 PM »
Immediate action allows you to take a standard action at the expense of next-round's standard. Combine with, say, Linked Power (synchronicity) or Twin Power, and you get two standards for the cost of a swift and a standard.

synchro is a std action to manifest.  so.. arent you just using a std action to get a std action at a later time in the round?


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Re: Brainstorming thread for a Psionic Tricks Handbook
« Reply #54 on: December 10, 2010, 10:10:27 PM »
My apologies. There's still Linked and Twin. Just Link it to a swift or immediate power.

Use Metapower to make the second power you manifest be free, if it costs 1pp. Or, in this case, less. :D
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Re: Brainstorming thread for a Psionic Tricks Handbook
« Reply #55 on: December 10, 2010, 10:24:44 PM »
oh, ok, so when you link it, you gain another std in round 2 basically for the cost of your focus... ? ex: RD. 1= (swift) hustle linked synchro.  (std) and (move) as normal.  RD. 2= linked synchro kicks in, so you have full rd + 1 (std) to play with... is that correct?

or in the case of Twin, you get 2 std to use in the same round it was manifested.

is all that correct?

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Re: Brainstorming thread for a Psionic Tricks Handbook
« Reply #56 on: December 10, 2010, 10:33:25 PM »
oh, ok, so when you link it, you gain another std in round 2 basically for the cost of your focus... ? ex: RD. 1= (swift) hustle linked synchro.  (std) and (move) as normal.  RD. 2= linked synchro kicks in, so you have full rd + 1 (std) to play with... is that correct?

or in the case of Twin, you get 2 std to use in the same round it was manifested.

is all that correct?
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Re: Brainstorming thread for a Psionic Tricks Handbook
« Reply #57 on: December 11, 2010, 12:27:39 AM »
oh, ok, so when you link it, you gain another std in round 2 basically for the cost of your focus... ? ex: RD. 1= (swift) hustle linked synchro.  (std) and (move) as normal.  RD. 2= linked synchro kicks in, so you have full rd + 1 (std) to play with... is that correct?

or in the case of Twin, you get 2 std to use in the same round it was manifested.

is all that correct?
This is correct.
You can also share it with your psicrystal and it will gain a "free" action every time, since it doesn't have to spend one to get it.
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Re: Brainstorming thread for a Psionic Tricks Handbook
« Reply #58 on: December 11, 2010, 05:58:47 AM »
Because I don't think anyone has mentioned it: an easier infinite recharge option is Linked Power + Metapower + Bestow Power + Torc of Power Preservation. The same number of feats and items as the Earth Power version, but Linked Power is an infinitely better feat than Earth Sense.

The initial cost of the Bestow Power Linked to Bestow Power is 6, reduced by one by the Torc and two by Metapower, so you spend 3 power points in the first round for 2 each over the next two rounds. The trick costs basically one feat, since Linked Power and the Torc are things you would probably want anyways. This will give you plus one power point every even round after starting to recharge, or one every round after the first with psychic meditation.

In my opinion, the best thing to do with synchronicity (other than infinite standards cheese and whatever) is to attach three of them to a mental tap tattoo with a relay using the enhanced tattoos. Get two standards each round for three rounds at the cost of one swift action.

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Re: Brainstorming thread for a Psionic Tricks Handbook
« Reply #59 on: December 11, 2010, 06:23:20 AM »
How do you get more than one standard action via synchronicitySynchronicity normally lets you ready an action, and I thought you could only ready one action at a time.
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