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Re: Monk's Handbook
« Reply #160 on: January 14, 2010, 11:52:54 PM »
Make a Monk/Bard.

No use of Ur Priest or Sublime Chord allowed.

That's not really the same, it's not someone claiming it's impossible.  I think you just picked something weird.

Also, see the exact build above, but swap out 14 levels of monk for Shou Disciple 5/Bard 9.  Drop Snap Kick.  Add in Words of Creation and Song of the Heart.  Take the Bardic Knack variant. 

It's just as above, only your BAB is now higher, you have one fewer attacks (but you also don't get the -2 to hit), your AC is a little higher, and you've got a decent Inspire Courage (+6).  Inspire Competance gives a +5 to skill checks, and Inspire Greatness gives +4HD when you need.  Due to Bardic Knack you've got lots of little utility skills that aren't great, but are still handy (take 1 rank or even 1/2 rank in lots of trained only skills).

So, you're a melee powerhouse when it comes to charging, but you're also a decent party buffer with lots of little utility skills.  Any skill you have a 1/2 rank in or can be used untrained you can effectively have 9 ranks in, which is nice for stuff like craft and appraise.  You're by no means a godly caster, but you're certainly handy to have in game.

You could also do this by leaving in Snap Kick and just taking Imperious Command, then taking the Inspire Awe variant for bards, then taking Never Outnumbered.  I'll let you figure out what that bit of madness does (basically it's awesome against anyone not immune to fear).

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Re: Monk's Handbook
« Reply #161 on: January 15, 2010, 04:17:37 AM »
Make a Monk/Bard.

No use of Ur Priest or Sublime Chord allowed.

bard1/paladin17/monk2

Key feats: able learner, devoted performer, initiate of Milil, ascetic knight

Unarmed strike damage as a 19th level monk, bardic music ability and music per day as a 18th level bard
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Re: Monk's Handbook
« Reply #162 on: January 15, 2010, 04:18:43 AM »
Ooh, clever.  Well played.

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Re: Monk's Handbook
« Reply #163 on: January 15, 2010, 01:26:59 PM »
You've taken the spirit of the challenge and trampled it beneath the dancing hooves of your holy mount. Are you satisfied with yourself?

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Re: Monk's Handbook
« Reply #164 on: January 15, 2010, 01:49:20 PM »
You've taken the spirit of the challenge and trampled it beneath the dancing hooves of your holy mount. Are you satisfied with yourself?

Yeah, there wasn't enough actual Bard and Monk in there, but you have to admit he did end up with the Bard and Monk abilities.  Mine actually used 6 levels of Monk and 9 of Bard, but of course the feats and templates were where most of the power actually was, so it wasn't perfect either.

But hey, we're hardly using great tools here.  Monk's not a great class to do things with!

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Re: Monk's Handbook
« Reply #165 on: January 15, 2010, 05:31:58 PM »
But hey, we're hardly using great tools here.  Monk's not a great class to do things with!

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Except, you know, run fast.  Then again, Blade Dancer does it better.
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Re: Monk's Handbook
« Reply #166 on: January 16, 2010, 12:29:03 AM »
But hey, we're hardly using great tools here.  Monk's not a great class to do things with!

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Except, you know, run fast.  Then again, Blade Dancer does it better.
White dragonspawn dragonwrought kobold monk = haxfast (your fly speed is double your land speed, and you can pick up expeditious retreat with your casting).
My work
The tier system in a nutshell:
[spoiler]Tier 6: A cartographer.
Tier 5: An expert cartographer or a decent marksman.
Tier 4: An expert marksman.
Tier 3: An expert marksman, cartographer and chef who can tie strong knots and is trained in hostage negotiation or a marksman so good he can shoot down every bullet fired by a minigun while armed with a rusted single-shot pistol that veers to the left.
Tier 2: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything, or the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.
Tier 1: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything and the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.[/spoiler]

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Re: Monk's Handbook
« Reply #167 on: January 16, 2010, 12:38:15 AM »
Shadow Dark Mercury Dragon!  Accept no substitutes (but then add spellcasting).

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Re: Monk's Handbook
« Reply #168 on: January 16, 2010, 01:41:44 AM »
You've taken the spirit of the challenge and trampled it beneath the dancing hooves of your holy mount. Are you satisfied with yourself?

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Re: Monk's Handbook
« Reply #169 on: January 16, 2010, 04:21:44 PM »
But hey, we're hardly using great tools here.  Monk's not a great class to do things with!

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Except, you know, run fast.  Then again, Blade Dancer does it better.
White dragonspawn dragonwrought kobold monk = haxfast (your fly speed is double your land speed, and you can pick up expeditious retreat with your casting).
Monk speed boost and Expeditious Retreat are both Enhancement bonuses.  Past Monk 9, ER is useless.
I am constantly amazed by how many DM's ban Tomb of Battle.  The book doesn't even exist!

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That explains so much about my life.
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Why would you even do this? It hurts my eyes and looks like you ate your keyboard before suffering an attack of explosive diarrhea.
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If using Genesis to hide your phylactry, set it at -300 degrees farenheit.  See how do-gooders fare with a liquid atmosphere.

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Re: Monk's Handbook
« Reply #170 on: January 17, 2010, 11:24:20 PM »
Here's another one:

bard8/monk2/enlightenedfist10 or bard9/monk1/EF10 depending on tastes

monk abilities as an 11th or 12th level monk, spellcasting as a 16th or 17th level bard, bardic music as an 8th or 9th level bard, ascetic mage eliminates MAD

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Re: Monk's Handbook
« Reply #171 on: January 18, 2010, 03:11:34 PM »
But hey, we're hardly using great tools here.  Monk's not a great class to do things with!

JaronK
Except, you know, run fast.  Then again, Blade Dancer does it better.
White dragonspawn dragonwrought kobold monk = haxfast (your fly speed is double your land speed, and you can pick up expeditious retreat with your casting).
Monk speed boost and Expeditious Retreat are both Enhancement bonuses.  Past Monk 9, ER is useless.
Would the wings of swift flying/cloud wings/whatever-it's-called spell work then?
My work
The tier system in a nutshell:
[spoiler]Tier 6: A cartographer.
Tier 5: An expert cartographer or a decent marksman.
Tier 4: An expert marksman.
Tier 3: An expert marksman, cartographer and chef who can tie strong knots and is trained in hostage negotiation or a marksman so good he can shoot down every bullet fired by a minigun while armed with a rusted single-shot pistol that veers to the left.
Tier 2: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything, or the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.
Tier 1: Someone with teleportation, mind control, time manipulation, intangibility, the ability to turn into an exact duplicate of anything and the ability to see into the future with perfect accuracy.[/spoiler]

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Re: Monk's Handbook
« Reply #172 on: January 19, 2010, 04:57:26 AM »
Another monkish build I'm working on is a monk-lock

monk2/warlock4/enlightenedfist10/warlock4

Monk abilities as a 12th level monk, invocations as a 16th level warlock

The monk's fast movement should work nicely with fell flight and spidershape is okay if only for the size increase.

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Re: Monk's Handbook
« Reply #173 on: January 19, 2010, 05:04:58 AM »
But hey, we're hardly using great tools here.  Monk's not a great class to do things with!

JaronK
Except, you know, run fast.  Then again, Blade Dancer does it better.
White dragonspawn dragonwrought kobold monk = haxfast (your fly speed is double your land speed, and you can pick up expeditious retreat with your casting).
Monk speed boost and Expeditious Retreat are both Enhancement bonuses.  Past Monk 9, ER is useless.
Would the wings of swift flying/cloud wings/whatever-it's-called spell work then?
So long as those don't give enhancement bonuses, yes, they would.
I am constantly amazed by how many DM's ban Tomb of Battle.  The book doesn't even exist!

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By yes, she means no.
That explains so much about my life.
hiicantcomeupwithacharacterthatisntaghostwhyisthatamijustretardedorsomething
Why would you even do this? It hurts my eyes and looks like you ate your keyboard before suffering an attack of explosive diarrhea.
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If using Genesis to hide your phylactry, set it at -300 degrees farenheit.  See how do-gooders fare with a liquid atmosphere.

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Re: Monk's Handbook
« Reply #174 on: January 21, 2010, 10:32:45 PM »
Another monk build
Warforged Monk 2/ Druid 3/ Landforged Walker 5/ Sacred Fist 10

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Re: Monk's Handbook
« Reply #175 on: January 21, 2010, 10:47:50 PM »
Make a Monk/Bard.

No use of Ur Priest or Sublime Chord allowed.

bard1/paladin17/monk2

Key feats: able learner, devoted performer, initiate of Milil, ascetic knight

Unarmed strike damage as a 19th level monk, bardic music ability and music per day as a 18th level bard
If you take figureskating for your Perform skill, it's Brian Boitano!
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A couple of water benders, a dike, a flaming arrow, and a few barrels of blasting jelly?

Sounds like the makings of a gay porn film.
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Re: Monk's Handbook
« Reply #176 on: February 28, 2010, 09:43:10 AM »
Don't suppose anyone can help with the build for this?

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Re: Monk's Handbook
« Reply #177 on: February 28, 2010, 03:03:02 PM »
Don't suppose anyone can help with the build for this?

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Re: Monk's Handbook
« Reply #178 on: March 01, 2010, 12:28:52 AM »
Alright, another thing I was thinking of was making use of Drunken Master's Corkscrew Rush combined with the Dungeoncrasher ability.

Something like Dwarf Monk2/Fighter6/FotF1/Drunken Master9/FotF2?

I'm sorry, I just like the 8d6 + 3x Str. bonus damage... and yes I am aware that Knockback does this easier. I just like mucking around with underpowered classes to achieve funny things.

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Re: Monk's Handbook
« Reply #179 on: March 01, 2010, 12:32:35 AM »
Walker: Texas Ranger

Ranger11/monk2/kensai7 or something like that